Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Well, it's been over two months since I came to a conclusion that 
PCY65S is the way to go..

I received all the equipment yesterday :-) 
One TP65S and two PCY65S :-)

I listened to your advice and bought from thomann. They were very 
nice and kind. The package took a bit too long to arrive, but I 
guess that's not entirely their fault.

Anyway, I am satified with the chockability and VERY satisfied with 
the rim function on the TP, but I can't seem to get an handle on the 
rim function of the PCY..

Any tips for starters? When I had the PCY80, I used to play only 
the "rim" part (naturally, being a mono cymbal, I heard the pad 
sound). It was more comfortable that way. The upper "pad" part seems 
allot less responsive to me. Now, I can't accurately hit the correct 
spots. Sometimes I get a rim sound while hitting the pad and 
sometimes I get a pad sound while hitting the rim.. For the time 
being, I disabled the rim function by putting the same sound on both 
parts, since it really ruins my play.. The problem happens on both 
PCY's, the crash and the ride. Any guidance will be appreciated.

Besided that, I'm having mounting problems. Finally I have the much 
awaited second L-shape holder (and even have a reserve one), but I'm 
having dificulties mounting the cymbal on the little black stopper
(not on the L shape holder!).

When looking at the manual, I see that the correct mounting order is:
L-shape holder, black stopper, felt, cymbal, felt, nut. 
But the black stopper will not fit into the new PCY65S! The hole in 
the cymbal is too small! It fits nicely into the PCY80, and holds 
the cymbal in place, while giving it freedom to go up and down in 
the same time. If I force the stopper into the PCY65S (very hard to 
achieve and requires the use of a pliers and a screw driver), the 
PCY is held firmly in place, and cannot go up and down at all..

I was under the impression that mounting will be the same with the 
new cymbal! Was I wrong?

If you are not sure to which parts I reffering too, I can photograph 
them and post them here. I could also use some photographs of 
mounting explanations of the PCY65S.. 

Thank you very very much in advance!!

Tal



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "tallavi" <tallavi@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> 
> Another visit to the roland store, with the information I got from 
> you, managed to get me better results.
> 
> The PD8 seem to work great if the attenuator switch is set to high.
> 
> The CY8 works, if the attenuator switch is set to high, and the 
> trigger type is changed to MISC3 or PCY cup (what is 'PCY cup' 
> anyway?), but it doesn't work well at all. It misses trigger here 
> and there, and it's a bit unstable. Playing the same cymbal pad 
with 
> a Roland TD-8 module they had in the store produced some sweet 
> sounds.
> 
> No matter what I did, I could not make the PD85(mesh) to sound the 
> rim. Maybe it's double piazzo?
> 
> Other than that, we also got the mounting problem. The store sells 
> the cymbal mounting rod, but buying a cymbal and a rod is almost 
> like buying two PCY65S..
> 
> From all the reasons above, I came to a conclusion that listening 
to 
> your advice is the way to go, and that I should buy yamaha PCY65S. 
> I'm a little afraid that I won't get them with the L-shaped holder 
> bracket. I only have one now, and it's on my crash. I must have 
> another to go with the ride. It drives me nuts sometimes.
> 
> But what about a mesh head? Pintech says they're 100% compatible. 
> Can anyone confirm a good mesh pad, that is mountable on the 
yamaha 
> rack, and can produce head and rim sounds with accuracy?
> 
> I wouldn't mind purchasing other cymbals too (round ones :-)), but 
I 
> don't have the slightest clue to where to start the search..
> 
> Help?
> 
> Tal
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@> wrote:
> >
> > Tal,
> > 
> > > I'm glad to hear that the roland pads and cymbals should work. 
> To 
> > > your best knowledge, are those rolands stereo pads and not 
> double 
> > > piazzo? I was assuming that it's only a setting problem in my 
> part.
> > 
> > I am fairly sure they are single piezo.  A post at the Vdrum 
forum 
> may
> > help:
> > 
> > http://www.vdrums.com/
> > 
> > Also, I recently lent my DTXpander box to my drum teacher who 
uses 
> a
> > TD8 and it worked fine.  If his module wanted two piezos rather 
> than a
> > piezo and rim switch it wouldn't have worked.
> > 
> > > 4) I tried turning on and off the RimToPad setting. I read in 
> the 
> > > manual what it does, but I didn't understand. Is it at all 
> related 
> > > to my situation?
> > 
> > Never used that.  Mine are set to "disable"
> > 
> > > 6) Hitting the front side of the cymbal "triggers" the rim, 
but 
> does 
> > > not play the sound, it stays on 0% triggering.
> > 
> > It is strange it triggers but no sound and 0%.  It would do that 
if
> > there was a rim switch closure but no piezo signal.  I cannot 
> remember
> > if Rolands have high or low piezo outputs, but the attenuator 
> switch
> > on the back would be worth a try.  Also, possibly the gain & 
> minimum
> > velocity.
> > 
> > If it were me, I would just by the Yamaha pads from Thomann - no
> > mounting problems, no interface problems and cheaper.  That is, 
> unless
> > you are after a mesh pad.  I am planning to try a Pintech 
> Concertcast
> > snare which is dual piezo, but then I have an interface I 
designed 
> to
> > modify the signals and the equipment to look at signals to 
modify 
> them
> > to suit the Yamaha if necessary.
> > 
> > Keith.
> >
>