Hi Lychee, I think I understand what the manual is trying to say about the HH pedal, but because the DTX modules automatically sense the polarity, it doesn't make a difference. I don't know if you have heard the terms Normally Open or Normally Closed - they are electronic terms used to describe how switches work. Some modules expect to see a Normally Open condition to represent the HH pedal pressed, other types of modules expect a Normally Closed condition to represent the HH pedal pressed. The Yamaha modules test the HH pedal when powered on to see which type of pedal is attached, and makes the necessary adjustments internally to work with either type. The A/B switch allows the Yamaha HH pedal to work with other types of modules that don't automatically adjust the polarity, and that require either Normally Open or Normally closed conditions. I hope this is not too confusing, but the end is, as you have observed, on the DTX modules the A/B switch on the HH pedal seems to do nothing! Now, back to the PCY80s. I am starting to think that you may want to get a replacement cymbal from your dealer. The circuits in the TP80s and the PCY80s are the same, as far as I know. I have moved TP80s pads to inputs I had set up for PCY80s, and both the rim and pad triggers respond correctly, and I have also moved PCY80s pads to inputs set up for TP80s pads, and again, both rim and pad triggers work OK. I wonder if you just have a defective PCY80s? The other thing to check is to make sure that both of the cables are working properly - it can cause a symptom like the one you have. For these pads the cables must be stereo (TRS). You can tell for sure because the plug will have 3 different sections on it for a TRS cable, while a mono cable would only have 2 sections. Walt There are other people reading these messages that understand the circuits better than I do - maybe some of them could offer us some advise too? Thanks, Walt --- lycheelok <lycheelok@...> wrote: > Hi Walt, > > Thanks a lot for your reply. > > So the A / B switch thingie on the pads are not to > be worried about. > Then what about the switch on the hi-hat controller? > According to > its manual A is for closed hi-hat and B is for open > ... I tried > both, but I ain't found no difference. > > Oh, by the way, mine is brand new. No crack (I've > checked out a lot > of old posts already) and other wear and tear. I > plug the pcy80s to > the snare input this morning. Its rim didn't sound > at all. When I > put the tp80s to the ride input, its rim worked > perfectly with no > choking at all. I am not really sure, man. Probably > these 2 pads are > physical different, but according to both of their > manuals, both > pads are able to: 1) have a voice on the flat and > another on the > rim, 2) mute long sound by holding the rim (Hey, > Yamaha, do you mean > choking?), 3) have a third voice while holding the > rim and hit. > > This pcy80s is just weird to me. > > Anyway, thanks a lot, and eager to hear from you > again. > > Regards, > Lychee > > --- In DTXpress@y..., Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > Hi Lychee, > > > > Welcome to the world of DTXpress! > > > > I have some ideas for some of your questions, but > the > > one about the choke I need more time to think > about. > > One question I did have was is your kit a new one > or > > used one? Many people have had choking problems > with > > the PCY80s (it usually is older pads) that they > were > > able to fix by cleaning under the rim sensor. > > > > On your question number 2, the A/B switch is a > > polarity setting, which is different from the > > sensitivity setting control on Yamaha pads (this > is a > > small volume control). The reason for the A/B > switch > > is that different modules use different polarity > > settings. The good news is that Yamaha modules > > automatically sense the polarity of triggers when > you > > power them on, so having the switch in either the > A or > > B position should mean no difference for you. > > > > For your question 3, this is a topic we all have > to > > learn about when we start on edrums, so do not > feel > > alone. I will suggest that you look at post # > 2391 to > > start. This has a description of the different > > rejection parameters and what they do. After you > read > > that you can certainly ask other,more detailed > > questions if you have any. > > > > Thanks, Walt > > --- lycheelok lycheelok@y... wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress > that > > > came in yesterday. > > > I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and > wanna > > drum > > > better. So I > > > ordered this cool thing for home practice. > > > > > > Alright, please allow me to ask a few > questions: > > > > > > 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the > crash > > and > > > the pcy80s on the > > > right as the ride. I set it this way as I > don't > > need > > > more than one > > > sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride > in > > 2 > > > way: tapping the > > > flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding > ...) > > > and hitting hard on > > > the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s > > works > > > perfect for me; > > > however, the rim is choking too much. When I > go > > for > > > a double hit on > > > the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I > > > prefer) the first. I, > > > personally, don't need choking at all. In > fact, a > > > tp80s is also in > > > the package and I use it as the snare. Though > > hard > > > hitting is needed, > > > the rim produces rimshot without choking or > any > > > other problem. So, > > > are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different > > that > > > the choking is > > > produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the > > tp80s'? > > > Or is it just a > > > setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I > can > > > disable? > > > > > > 2. What is the difference between A and B on > the > > > high hat controller? > > > What about the A / B polarity switch on some > of > > the > > > pads? The manual > > > explains that the switch's for sensitivity, > but > > it > > > never tells me > > > whether A is higher or lower ... > > > > > > 3. I am totally lost when I read the part > > regarding > > > self-rejection > > > and specific rejection in the manuel ... may > > someone > > > here brief me a > > > little bit please? In fact, when I play some > > faster > > > grooves that has > > > notes with simultaneous hits of closed > hi-hat, > > > snare, and bass drum, > > > the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection > > > settings the ones I > > > should look into? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lychee > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
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Re: [DTXpress] Re: Wanna disable ride choke
2002-10-24 by Walt