Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi,

I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that came in yesterday. 
I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna drum better. So I 
ordered this cool thing for home practice.

Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:

1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash and the pcy80s on the 
right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't need more than one 
sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in 2 way: tapping the 
flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...) and hitting hard on 
the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s works perfect for me; 
however, the rim is choking too much. When I go for a double hit on 
the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I prefer) the first. I, 
personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a tp80s is also in 
the package and I use it as the snare. Though hard hitting is needed, 
the rim produces rimshot without choking or any other problem. So, 
are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different that the choking is 
produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the tp80s'? Or is it just a 
setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can disable?

2. What is the difference between A and B on the high hat controller? 
What about the A / B polarity switch on some of the pads? The manual 
explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but it never tells me 
whether A is higher or lower ...

3. I am totally lost when I read the part regarding self-rejection 
and specific rejection in the manuel ... may someone here brief me a 
little bit please? In fact, when I play some faster grooves that has 
notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat, snare, and bass drum, 
the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection settings the ones I 
should look into?

Thanks in advance

Regards,
Lychee

Hi Lychee,

Welcome to the world of DTXpress!

I have some ideas for some of your questions, but the
one about the choke I need more time to think about. 
One question I did have was is your kit a new one or
used one?  Many people have had choking problems with
the PCY80s (it usually is older pads) that they were
able to fix by cleaning under the rim sensor.

On your question number 2, the A/B switch is a
polarity setting, which is different from the
sensitivity setting control on Yamaha pads (this is a
small volume control).  The reason for the A/B switch
is that different modules use different polarity
settings.  The good news is that Yamaha modules
automatically sense the polarity of triggers when you
power them on, so having the switch in either the A or
B position should mean no difference for you.

For your question 3, this is a topic we all have to
learn about when we start on edrums, so do not feel
alone.  I will suggest that you look at post # 2391 to
start.  This has a description of the different
rejection parameters and what they do.  After you read
that you can certainly ask other,more detailed
questions if you have any.

Thanks,  Walt   
--- lycheelok <lycheelok@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that
> came in yesterday. 
> I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna
drum
> better. So I 
> ordered this cool thing for home practice.
> 
> Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:
> 
> 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash
and
> the pcy80s on the 
> right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't
need
> more than one 
> sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in
2
> way: tapping the 
> flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...)
> and hitting hard on 
> the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s
works
> perfect for me; 
> however, the rim is choking too much. When I go
for
> a double hit on 
> the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I
> prefer) the first. I, 
> personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a
> tp80s is also in 
> the package and I use it as the snare. Though
hard
> hitting is needed, 
> the rim produces rimshot without choking or any
> other problem. So, 
> are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different
that
> the choking is 
> produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the
tp80s'?
> Or is it just a 
> setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can
> disable?
> 
> 2. What is the difference between A and B on the
> high hat controller? 
> What about the A / B polarity switch on some of
the
> pads? The manual 
> explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but
it
> never tells me 
> whether A is higher or lower ...
> 
> 3. I am totally lost when I read the part
regarding
> self-rejection 
> and specific rejection in the manuel ... may
someone
> here brief me a 
> little bit please? In fact, when I play some
faster
> grooves that has 
> notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat,
> snare, and bass drum, 
> the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection
> settings the ones I 
> should look into?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Regards,
> Lychee
> 
> 


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Hi Walt,

Thanks a lot for your reply.

So the A / B switch thingie on the pads are not to be worried about. 
Then what about the switch on the hi-hat controller? According to 
its manual A is for closed hi-hat and B is for open ... I tried 
both, but I ain't found no difference.

Oh, by the way, mine is brand new. No crack (I've checked out a lot 
of old posts already) and other wear and tear. I plug the pcy80s to 
the snare input this morning. Its rim didn't sound at all. When I 
put the tp80s to the ride input, its rim worked perfectly with no 
choking at all. I am not really sure, man. Probably these 2 pads are 
physical different, but according to both of their manuals, both 
pads are able to: 1) have a voice on the flat and another on the 
rim, 2) mute long sound by holding the rim (Hey, Yamaha, do you mean 
choking?), 3) have a third voice while holding the rim and hit.

This pcy80s is just weird to me.

Anyway, thanks a lot, and eager to hear from you again.

Regards,
Lychee

--- In DTXpress@y..., Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:

> Hi Lychee,
> 
> Welcome to the world of DTXpress!
> 
> I have some ideas for some of your questions, but the
> one about the choke I need more time to think about. 
> One question I did have was is your kit a new one or
> used one?  Many people have had choking problems with
> the PCY80s (it usually is older pads) that they were
> able to fix by cleaning under the rim sensor.
> 
> On your question number 2, the A/B switch is a
> polarity setting, which is different from the
> sensitivity setting control on Yamaha pads (this is a
> small volume control).  The reason for the A/B switch
> is that different modules use different polarity
> settings.  The good news is that Yamaha modules
> automatically sense the polarity of triggers when you
> power them on, so having the switch in either the A or
> B position should mean no difference for you.
> 
> For your question 3, this is a topic we all have to
> learn about when we start on edrums, so do not feel
> alone.  I will suggest that you look at post # 2391 to
> start.  This has a description of the different
> rejection parameters and what they do.  After you read
> that you can certainly ask other,more detailed
> questions if you have any.
> 
> Thanks,  Walt   
> --- lycheelok lycheelok@y... wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that
> > came in yesterday. 
> > I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna
> drum
> > better. So I 
> > ordered this cool thing for home practice.
> > 
> > Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:
> > 
> > 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash
> and
> > the pcy80s on the 
> > right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't
> need
> > more than one 
> > sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in
> 2
> > way: tapping the 
> > flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...)
> > and hitting hard on 
> > the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s
> works
> > perfect for me; 
> > however, the rim is choking too much. When I go
> for
> > a double hit on 
> > the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I
> > prefer) the first. I, 
> > personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a
> > tp80s is also in 
> > the package and I use it as the snare. Though
> hard
> > hitting is needed, 
> > the rim produces rimshot without choking or any
> > other problem. So, 
> > are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different
> that
> > the choking is 
> > produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the
> tp80s'?
> > Or is it just a 
> > setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can
> > disable?
> > 
> > 2. What is the difference between A and B on the
> > high hat controller? 
> > What about the A / B polarity switch on some of
> the
> > pads? The manual 
> > explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but
> it
> > never tells me 
> > whether A is higher or lower ...
> > 
> > 3. I am totally lost when I read the part
> regarding
> > self-rejection 
> > and specific rejection in the manuel ... may
> someone
> > here brief me a 
> > little bit please? In fact, when I play some
> faster
> > grooves that has 
> > notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat,
> > snare, and bass drum, 
> > the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection
> > settings the ones I 
> > should look into?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Lychee
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Hi Lychee,

I think I understand what the manual is trying to say
about the HH pedal, but because the DTX modules
automatically sense the polarity, it doesn't make a
difference.   I don't know if you have heard the terms
Normally Open or Normally Closed - they are electronic
terms used to describe how switches work.  Some
modules expect to see a Normally Open condition to
represent the HH pedal pressed, other types of modules
expect a Normally Closed condition to represent the HH
pedal pressed.  The Yamaha modules test the HH pedal
when powered on to see which type of pedal is
attached, and makes the necessary adjustments
internally to work with either type.  The A/B switch
allows the Yamaha HH pedal to work with other types of
modules that don't automatically adjust the polarity,
and that require either Normally Open or Normally
closed conditions.

I hope this is not too confusing, but the end is, as
you have observed, on the DTX modules the A/B switch
on the HH pedal seems to do nothing!

Now, back to the PCY80s. I am starting to think that
you may want to get a replacement cymbal from your
dealer.  The circuits in the TP80s and the PCY80s are
the same, as far as I know.  I have moved TP80s pads
to inputs I had set up for PCY80s, and both the rim
and pad triggers respond correctly, and I have also
moved PCY80s pads to inputs set up for TP80s pads, and
again, both rim and pad triggers work OK.  I wonder if
you just have a defective PCY80s?  The other thing to
check is to make sure that both of the cables are
working properly - it can cause a symptom like the one
you have.  For these pads the cables must be stereo
(TRS).  You can tell for sure because the plug will
have 3 different sections on it for a TRS cable, while
a mono cable would only have 2 sections.

Walt  

There are other people reading these messages that
understand the circuits better than I do - maybe some
of them could offer us some advise too?  

Thanks,  Walt

--- lycheelok <lycheelok@...> wrote:
> Hi Walt,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your reply.
> 
> So the A / B switch thingie on the pads are not
to
> be worried about. 
> Then what about the switch on the hi-hat
controller?
> According to 
> its manual A is for closed hi-hat and B is for
open
> ... I tried 
> both, but I ain't found no difference.
> 
> Oh, by the way, mine is brand new. No crack (I've
> checked out a lot 
> of old posts already) and other wear and tear. I
> plug the pcy80s to 
> the snare input this morning. Its rim didn't
sound
> at all. When I 
> put the tp80s to the ride input, its rim worked
> perfectly with no 
> choking at all. I am not really sure, man.
Probably
> these 2 pads are 
> physical different, but according to both of
their
> manuals, both 
> pads are able to: 1) have a voice on the flat and
> another on the 
> rim, 2) mute long sound by holding the rim (Hey,
> Yamaha, do you mean 
> choking?), 3) have a third voice while holding
the
> rim and hit.
> 
> This pcy80s is just weird to me.
> 
> Anyway, thanks a lot, and eager to hear from you
> again.
> 
> Regards,
> Lychee
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., Walt <wgardus@y...>
wrote:
> > Hi Lychee,
> > 
> > Welcome to the world of DTXpress!
> > 
> > I have some ideas for some of your
questions, but
> the
> > one about the choke I need more time to
think
> about. 
> > One question I did have was is your kit a
new one
> or
> > used one?  Many people have had choking
problems
> with
> > the PCY80s (it usually is older pads) that
they
> were
> > able to fix by cleaning under the rim
sensor.
> > 
> > On your question number 2, the A/B switch is
a
> > polarity setting, which is different from
the
> > sensitivity setting control on Yamaha pads
(this
> is a
> > small volume control).  The reason for the
A/B
> switch
> > is that different modules use different
polarity
> > settings.  The good news is that Yamaha
modules
> > automatically sense the polarity of triggers
when
> you
> > power them on, so having the switch in
either the
> A or
> > B position should mean no difference for
you.
> > 
> > For your question 3, this is a topic we all
have
> to
> > learn about when we start on edrums, so do
not
> feel
> > alone.  I will suggest that you look at post
#
> 2391 to
> > start.  This has a description of the
different
> > rejection parameters and what they do. 
After you
> read
> > that you can certainly ask other,more
detailed
> > questions if you have any.
> > 
> > Thanks,  Walt   
> > --- lycheelok lycheelok@y... wrote:
> > &gt; Hi,
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; I'm new to drumming and to my fresh
DTXpress
> that
> > &gt; came in yesterday. 
> > &gt; I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong
Kong and
> wanna
> > drum
> > &gt; better. So I 
> > &gt; ordered this cool thing for home
practice.
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; Alright, please allow me to ask a
few
> questions:
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left
as the
> crash
> > and
> > &gt; the pcy80s on the 
> > &gt; right as the ride. I set it this
way as I
> don't
> > need
> > &gt; more than one 
> > &gt; sound from my crash. Normally I
play the ride
> in
> > 2
> > &gt; way: tapping the 
> > &gt; flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding,
ding-ding
> ...)
> > &gt; and hitting hard on 
> > &gt; the edge for a splash. The flat on
the pcy80s
> > works
> > &gt; perfect for me; 
> > &gt; however, the rim is choking too
much. When I
> go
> > for
> > &gt; a double hit on 
> > &gt; the rim, the second hit just chokes
(mutes, I
> > &gt; prefer) the first. I, 
> > &gt; personally, don't need choking at
all. In
> fact, a
> > &gt; tp80s is also in 
> > &gt; the package and I use it as the
snare. Though
> > hard
> > &gt; hitting is needed, 
> > &gt; the rim produces rimshot without
choking or
> any
> > &gt; other problem. So, 
> > &gt; are the pcy80s and tp80s physically
different
> > that
> > &gt; the choking is 
> > &gt; produced by the pcy80s' switch but
no by the
> > tp80s'?
> > &gt; Or is it just a 
> > &gt; setting in the brain for ride
cymbal that I
> can
> > &gt; disable?
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; 2. What is the difference between A
and B on
> the
> > &gt; high hat controller? 
> > &gt; What about the A / B polarity
switch on some
> of
> > the
> > &gt; pads? The manual 
> > &gt; explains that the switch's for
sensitivity,
> but
> > it
> > &gt; never tells me 
> > &gt; whether A is higher or lower ...
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; 3. I am totally lost when I read
the part
> > regarding
> > &gt; self-rejection 
> > &gt; and specific rejection in the
manuel ... may
> > someone
> > &gt; here brief me a 
> > &gt; little bit please? In fact, when I
play some
> > faster
> > &gt; grooves that has 
> > &gt; notes with simultaneous hits of
closed
> hi-hat,
> > &gt; snare, and bass drum, 
> > &gt; the snare doesn't sound. Are these
rejection
> > &gt; settings the ones I 
> > &gt; should look into?
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; Thanks in advance
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; Regards,
> > &gt; Lychee
> > &gt; 
> > &gt; 
> > 
> > 
> >
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I see someone is helping you with the other issues, so I'll try to 
help you with the ride/choke thing. You need to go into trigger setup 
and set the pad type to something that is not a cymbal. Try TP Tom or 
TP Snare, or even one of the non-cymbal Misc. settings.
See page 36 of the manual.
Scott

--- In DTXpress@y..., "lycheelok" <lycheelok@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that came in yesterday. 
> I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna drum better. So I 
> ordered this cool thing for home practice.
> 
> Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:
> 
> 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash and the pcy80s on the 
> right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't need more than one 
> sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in 2 way: tapping the 
> flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...) and hitting hard 
on 
> the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s works perfect for me; 
> however, the rim is choking too much. When I go for a double hit on 
> the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I prefer) the first. I, 
> personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a tp80s is also in 
> the package and I use it as the snare. Though hard hitting is 
needed, 
> the rim produces rimshot without choking or any other problem. So, 
> are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different that the choking is 
> produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the tp80s'? Or is it just a 
> setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can disable?
> 
> 2. What is the difference between A and B on the high hat 
controller? 

> What about the A / B polarity switch on some of the pads? The manual 
> explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but it never tells me 
> whether A is higher or lower ...
> 
> 3. I am totally lost when I read the part regarding self-rejection 
> and specific rejection in the manuel ... may someone here brief me a 
> little bit please? In fact, when I play some faster grooves that has 
> notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat, snare, and bass drum, 
> the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection settings the ones I 
> should look into?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Regards,
> Lychee

Hi Walt,

Thanks for your information on how the brain deals with the A / B 
switch. Case closed.

It's gonna be really worrying if both tp80s and pcy80s have the same 
circuit. From my experiments I don't really see it that way, though. 
I guess I should list out the tests I did in more detail:

1. pcy80s plugged to Input 6 Ride, the pad has the ride sound, the 
rim has the edge sound but chokes too much that mutes the later hits.

2. tp80s plugged to Input 2 Snare, the pad produces the right sound 
and the rim gives rimshot with no choking at all.

3. pcy80s plugged to Input 2 Snare, the pad sounds like snare and the 
rim sounds like rimshot perfectly without choking at all.

4. tp80s plugged to Input 6 Ride, the pad gives ride perfectly, the 
rim is totally silent; HOWEVER, hitting on the rim chokes all the 
sounds generated from the pad.

During my typing, I am starting to think that probably Scott's 
completely right: settings in the brain for cymbal / ride with a dual 
zone pad are to choke. Maybe I just have to follow what Scott's said 
to switch the type from cymbal / ride to something else to stop the 
choking. BUT my question now is, how come the rim on my tp80s has no 
sound at all but chokes when it's put to Input 6 Ride, while a lot of 
other guys in this group is using tp80s as the ride perfectly?

I apologise. I know it's lengthy and too demending. I thank you very 
much.

Regards,
Lychee

--- In DTXpress@y..., "lycheelok" <lycheelok@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that came in 
yesterday. 
> I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna drum better. So I 
> ordered this cool thing for home practice.
> 
> Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:
> 
> 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash and the pcy80s on 
the 
> right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't need more than one 
> sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in 2 way: tapping the 
> flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...) and hitting hard 
on 
> the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s works perfect for me; 
> however, the rim is choking too much. When I go for a double hit on 
> the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I prefer) the first. I, 
> personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a tp80s is also in 
> the package and I use it as the snare. Though hard hitting is 
needed, 
> the rim produces rimshot without choking or any other problem. So, 
> are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different that the choking is 
> produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the tp80s'? Or is it just 
a 
> setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can disable?
> 
> 2. What is the difference between A and B on the high hat 
controller? 
> What about the A / B polarity switch on some of the pads? The 
manual 
> explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but it never tells me 
> whether A is higher or lower ...
> 
> 3. I am totally lost when I read the part regarding self-rejection 
> and specific rejection in the manuel ... may someone here brief me 
a 
> little bit please? In fact, when I play some faster grooves that 
has 
> notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat, snare, and bass 
drum, 

> the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection settings the ones I 
> should look into?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Regards,
> Lychee

Hi Scott,

Thanks. Let me try changing the type tonight ... but my question now 
is, if pcy80s and tp80s have the same circuit, how come my tp80s, 
when plugged into Input 6 (I tried 7 also, same thing happened), its 
rim does not sound at all but chokes sound from its pad? Putting 
pcy80s to Input 6, though choking at least the rim makes sound.

The situation's getting annoying ... sorry, guys.

I appreciate all your words. Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Lychee

--- In DTXpress@y..., "lycheelok" <lycheelok@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that came in 
yesterday. 
> I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna drum better. So I 
> ordered this cool thing for home practice.
> 
> Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:
> 
> 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash and the pcy80s on 
the 
> right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't need more than one 
> sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in 2 way: tapping the 
> flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...) and hitting hard 
on 
> the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s works perfect for me; 
> however, the rim is choking too much. When I go for a double hit on 
> the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I prefer) the first. I, 
> personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a tp80s is also in 
> the package and I use it as the snare. Though hard hitting is 
needed, 
> the rim produces rimshot without choking or any other problem. So, 
> are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different that the choking is 
> produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the tp80s'? Or is it just 
a 
> setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can disable?
> 
> 2. What is the difference between A and B on the high hat 
controller? 
> What about the A / B polarity switch on some of the pads? The 
manual 
> explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but it never tells me 
> whether A is higher or lower ...
> 
> 3. I am totally lost when I read the part regarding self-rejection 
> and specific rejection in the manuel ... may someone here brief me 
a 
> little bit please? In fact, when I play some faster grooves that 
has 
> notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat, snare, and bass 
drum, 

> the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection settings the ones I 
> should look into?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Regards,
> Lychee

My only suggestion at this point is: TP80s SUCKS. The rim function is 
dismal!!@!
You have to smack it really hard, in just the right spot to get a 
sound. Try hitting it harder. Try a different spot. Trade it for a new 
one. Then throw it away.....
Scott:Q
PS but no matter which STEREO pad you use, you still need to change 
the pad type. The pad type for PCY 60 and PCY Crash both support choke 
function!!!@
--- In DTXpress@y..., "lycheelok" <lycheelok@y...> wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Thanks. Let me try changing the type tonight ... but my question now 
> is, if pcy80s and tp80s have the same circuit, how come my tp80s, 
> when plugged into Input 6 (I tried 7 also, same thing happened), its 
> rim does not sound at all but chokes sound from its pad? Putting 
> pcy80s to Input 6, though choking at least the rim makes sound.
> 
> The situation's getting annoying ... sorry, guys.
> 
> I appreciate all your words. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> Lychee
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "lycheelok" <lycheelok@y...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that came in 
> yesterday. 
> > I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna drum better. So I 
> > ordered this cool thing for home practice.
> > 
> > Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:
> > 
> > 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash and the pcy80s on 
> the 
> > right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't need more than one 
> > sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in 2 way: tapping 
the 
> > flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...) and hitting hard 
> on 
> > the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s works perfect for 
me; 
> > however, the rim is choking too much. When I go for a double hit 
on 
> > the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I prefer) the first. 
I, 

> > personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a tp80s is also in 
> > the package and I use it as the snare. Though hard hitting is 
> needed, 
> > the rim produces rimshot without choking or any other problem. So, 
> > are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different that the choking is 
> > produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the tp80s'? Or is it just 
> a 
> > setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can disable?
> > 
> > 2. What is the difference between A and B on the high hat 
> controller? 
> > What about the A / B polarity switch on some of the pads? The 
> manual 
> > explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but it never tells me 
> > whether A is higher or lower ...
> > 
> > 3. I am totally lost when I read the part regarding self-rejection 
> > and specific rejection in the manuel ... may someone here brief me 
> a 
> > little bit please? In fact, when I play some faster grooves that 
> has 
> > notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat, snare, and bass 
> drum, 
> > the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection settings the ones I 
> > should look into?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Lychee

Alright ... thanks a lot. I will live with it.

Lychee

--- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> My only suggestion at this point is: TP80s SUCKS. The rim function 
is 
> dismal!!@!
> You have to smack it really hard, in just the right spot to get a 
> sound. Try hitting it harder. Try a different spot. Trade it for a 
new 
> one. Then throw it away.....
> Scott:Q
> PS but no matter which STEREO pad you use, you still need to change 
> the pad type. The pad type for PCY 60 and PCY Crash both support 
choke 
> function!!!@
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "lycheelok" <lycheelok@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Scott,
> > 
> > Thanks. Let me try changing the type tonight ... but my question 
now 
> > is, if pcy80s and tp80s have the same circuit, how come my tp80s, 
> > when plugged into Input 6 (I tried 7 also, same thing happened), 
its 
> > rim does not sound at all but chokes sound from its pad? Putting 
> > pcy80s to Input 6, though choking at least the rim makes sound.
> > 
> > The situation's getting annoying ... sorry, guys.
> > 
> > I appreciate all your words. Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Lychee
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "lycheelok" <lycheelok@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm new to drumming and to my fresh DTXpress that came in 
> > yesterday. 
> > > I'm just an ordinary guy in Hong Kong and wanna drum better. So 
I 
> > > ordered this cool thing for home practice.
> > > 
> > > Alright, please allow me to ask a few questions:
> > > 
> > > 1. I put the pcy60 up on the left as the crash and the pcy80s 
on 
> > the 
> > > right as the ride. I set it this way as I don't need more than 
one 
> > > sound from my crash. Normally I play the ride in 2 way: tapping 
> the 
> > > flat (ding, ding, ding-ding; ding, ding-ding ...) and hitting 
hard 
> > on 
> > > the edge for a splash. The flat on the pcy80s works perfect for 
> me; 
> > > however, the rim is choking too much. When I go for a double 
hit 
> on 
> > > the rim, the second hit just chokes (mutes, I prefer) the 
first. 
> I, 
> > > personally, don't need choking at all. In fact, a tp80s is also 
in 
> > > the package and I use it as the snare. Though hard hitting is 
> > needed, 
> > > the rim produces rimshot without choking or any other problem. 
So, 
> > > are the pcy80s and tp80s physically different that the choking 
is 
> > > produced by the pcy80s' switch but no by the tp80s'? Or is it 
just 
> > a 
> > > setting in the brain for ride cymbal that I can disable?
> > > 
> > > 2. What is the difference between A and B on the high hat 
> > controller? 
> > > What about the A / B polarity switch on some of the pads? The 
> > manual 
> > > explains that the switch's for sensitivity, but it never tells 
me 
> > > whether A is higher or lower ...
> > > 
> > > 3. I am totally lost when I read the part regarding self-
rejection 
> > > and specific rejection in the manuel ... may someone here brief 
me 
> > a 
> > > little bit please? In fact, when I play some faster grooves 
that 
> > has 
> > > notes with simultaneous hits of closed hi-hat, snare, and bass 
> > drum, 
> > > the snare doesn't sound. Are these rejection settings the ones 
I 

> > > should look into?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Lychee