Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I just wanted to thank everyone for all the help!!  I'm really 
disappointed about this situation but I haven't given up yet.  The 
good thing is I can still expand even if the pm16 doesnt work, I'll 
just have to buy another midi source or module I guess...  I'd be 
lost without this group, I swear!



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> yup, trying to stay awake through them too....
> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Good Morning, Vern,
> > 
> > You hit the nail on the head. What would seem to be
> > a 
> > straightforward use of the DTX midi function won't
> > work with the 
> > DTXII. My own experience with a midiKITI and Walt's
> > with a PM-16, 
> > however, confirm that earlier iterations of the
> > Xpress module were 
> > most cooperative. I gather that Walt seems to think,
> > from your 
> > experience and others', that the fault lies with the
> > external 
> > devices. But our troubleshooting would seem to
> > indicate otherwise. A 
> > Yamaha "apps specialist" apparently did the midi
> > keyboard test for 
> > Jade, and it came up unsuccessful, thereby prompting
> > him to tell 
> > Jade that using an external device with the DTXII
> > was impossible. 
> > Then he hit Jade with the party line, "DTXpress
> > users shouldn't need 
> > anything else." The comment was neither sympathetic,
> > accurate, nor 
> > satisfactory, given, at least, the capabilities of
> > other DTXpress 
> > modules et al. And why for the life of me would
> > Yamaha personnel 
> > have to run  essentially the same heuristic test on
> > the module that 
> > we've been running? Someone at that company designed
> > it. You'd think 
> > that they'd have a ready answer for so likely a
> > question.
> > 
> > Unless there's something we've overlooked (like the
> > proverbial 
> > unplugged power cord or the like), this is a major
> > flaw in the new 
> > DTXII, which would seem to have designed out, by
> > error or intention, 
> > a selling point of the original DTXpress. Not to
> > mention the time 
> > and effort that people have invested in their
> > exploration of this 
> > problem, Jade and UNH have spent a good deal of
> > money on something 
> > that common sense and precedent would have said was
> > well spent. 
> > Maybe Jade and UNH will come up with something that
> > will rescue us 
> > from this puzzle. I hope so. But boy, it's been a
> > frustrating ride. 
> > Probably as we speak, Professor Walt is busy
> > studying manuals and 
> > constructing theories.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner"
> > <vern@t...> wrote:
> > > So, the problem is that the MIDI-kiti cannot be
> > set to send 
> > specific note
> > > numbers from a specific pad? Or are you trying to
> > make the 
> > DTXpressII
> > > play a particular sound on a specific note number
> > (i.e. Channel 
> > 10, MIDI
> > > note C3 makes the sound of a Ride Cymbal)? It
> > would seem that you 
> > would
> > > set the MIDIkiti to channel 10, then assign a note
> > number to a pad 
> > that
> > > matches with the sound map of the DTXpress unit.
> > Is there 
> > something I'm
> > > missing in the setup? In the manual, on page 42
> > section 1-6, 
> > allows you
> > > to assign a MIDI note number to a sound. Would
> > this help in your
> > > environment (by placing a sound at a note value
> > the KITI can 
> > transmit)?
> > > Maybe I'm just dense here, but I still don't see
> > where the failure 
> > is. Is
> > > it a lack of flexibility of the MIDI-Kiti or is it
> > some perceived 
> > failure
> > > on the part of the DTXpress?
> > > 
> > > It seems pretty straight forward, set the MIDIkiti
> > to the proper 
> > midi
> > > channel, then tell it what note to trigger and
> > then place the MIDI 
> > out
> > > from the MIDI kiti to the MIDI in of the
> > DTXpress... I guess thats 
> > not
> > > working for you tho. For diagnostics, do you have
> > any other MIDI 
> > gear
> > > around you could use to verify function? Maybe
> > hook the MIDI-kiti 
> > to a
> > > regular midi keyboard and hit the pads to see if
> > it makes any 
> > sound.
> > > Maybe use a MIDI keyboard to drive the DTXpress to
> > see if it is
> > > accempting external MIDI stuff. I know that if you
> > are using the 
> > MIDI in
> > > jack on the back of the DTXpress, you will have to
> > set the Host-
> > select
> > > switch to MIDI rather than the PC1/PC2/MAC
> > settings...  Hmm 
> > probably not
> > > very helpful here, but trying to be! :)
> > > 
> > > Vern
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is
> > down, then you're
> > > Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously
> > incompetent so why are we
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> > course, if the network
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> > don't need
> > > Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we
> > paying you?" VLG
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > liberatusvirus said:
> > > > Vern,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for entering the fray with us. The Boss
> > does basically 
> > what
> > > > Jade and UNH are trying to do with the midikiti
> > and pm16,
> > > > respectively. I have a midikiti that I use with
> > an earlier dtx
> > > > module. It works flawlessly. In my case, what I
> > have to do is 
> > enter
> > > > the dtx utility menu to set a new note number
> > for each voice I 
> > want  to
> > > > access from a particular input in the midikiti,
> > which has the
> > > > facility to store that number for that input. If
> > I used the dtx's
> > > > default numbers, my kiti voices would change
> > every time I 
> > changed a
> > > > kit on the dtx. Jade's kiti, even reset to
> > factory defaults, 
> > will  not
> > > > take a number from the dtxII and play the voice
> > associated with  
> > it.
> > > > We've (Walt, Jade, UNH, and I) been through hell
> > and back 
> > trying  to
> > > > get the DTXII to do what Walt's and my modules
> > do with ease.
> > > > Jade's and UNH's midi connections seem to be in
> > order (we've been
> > > > through this, but I hope the back of the module
> > is set ti MIDI).
> > > > Pitch is probably not a problem, at least so far
> > as I can tell. 
> > To
> > > > complicate the problem, an apps specialist at
> > Yamaha has 
> > informed  Jade
> > > > that what he wants to do is impossible on the
> > DTXII, but we
> > > > don't trust that information yet, since it can
> > be done on earlier
> > > > versions and other Yamaha modules. It's very
> > puzzling. I don't 
> > think
> > > > that Jade or UNH have sequencers. That's the
> > basic predicament.
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner"
> > <vern@t...> 
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