Good Morning, Vern,
You hit the nail on the head. What would seem to be a
straightforward use of the DTX midi function won't work with the
DTXII. My own experience with a midiKITI and Walt's with a PM-16,
however, confirm that earlier iterations of the Xpress module were
most cooperative. I gather that Walt seems to think, from your
experience and others', that the fault lies with the external
devices. But our troubleshooting would seem to indicate otherwise. A
Yamaha "apps specialist" apparently did the midi keyboard test for
Jade, and it came up unsuccessful, thereby prompting him to tell
Jade that using an external device with the DTXII was impossible.
Then he hit Jade with the party line, "DTXpress users shouldn't need
anything else." The comment was neither sympathetic, accurate, nor
satisfactory, given, at least, the capabilities of other DTXpress
modules et al. And why for the life of me would Yamaha personnel
have to run essentially the same heuristic test on the module that
we've been running? Someone at that company designed it. You'd think
that they'd have a ready answer for so likely a question.
Unless there's something we've overlooked (like the proverbial
unplugged power cord or the like), this is a major flaw in the new
DTXII, which would seem to have designed out, by error or intention,
a selling point of the original DTXpress. Not to mention the time
and effort that people have invested in their exploration of this
problem, Jade and UNH have spent a good deal of money on something
that common sense and precedent would have said was well spent.
Maybe Jade and UNH will come up with something that will rescue us
from this puzzle. I hope so. But boy, it's been a frustrating ride.
Probably as we speak, Professor Walt is busy studying manuals and
constructing theories.
Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote:
> So, the problem is that the MIDI-kiti cannot be set to send
specific note
> numbers from a specific pad? Or are you trying to make the
DTXpressII
> play a particular sound on a specific note number (i.e. Channel
10, MIDI
> note C3 makes the sound of a Ride Cymbal)? It would seem that you
would
> set the MIDIkiti to channel 10, then assign a note number to a pad
that
> matches with the sound map of the DTXpress unit. Is there
something I'm
> missing in the setup? In the manual, on page 42 section 1-6,
allows you
> to assign a MIDI note number to a sound. Would this help in your
> environment (by placing a sound at a note value the KITI can
transmit)?
> Maybe I'm just dense here, but I still don't see where the failure
is. Is
> it a lack of flexibility of the MIDI-Kiti or is it some perceived
failure
> on the part of the DTXpress?
>
> It seems pretty straight forward, set the MIDIkiti to the proper
midi
> channel, then tell it what note to trigger and then place the MIDI
out
> from the MIDI kiti to the MIDI in of the DTXpress... I guess thats
not
> working for you tho. For diagnostics, do you have any other MIDI
gear
> around you could use to verify function? Maybe hook the MIDI-kiti
to a
> regular midi keyboard and hit the pads to see if it makes any
sound.
> Maybe use a MIDI keyboard to drive the DTXpress to see if it is
> accempting external MIDI stuff. I know that if you are using the
MIDI in
> jack on the back of the DTXpress, you will have to set the Host-
select
> switch to MIDI rather than the PC1/PC2/MAC settings... Hmm
probably not
> very helpful here, but trying to be! :)
>
> Vern
>
> --
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>
>
>
> liberatusvirus said:
> > Vern,
> >
> > Thanks for entering the fray with us. The Boss does basically
what
> > Jade and UNH are trying to do with the midikiti and pm16,
> > respectively. I have a midikiti that I use with an earlier dtx
> > module. It works flawlessly. In my case, what I have to do is
enter
> > the dtx utility menu to set a new note number for each voice I
want to
> > access from a particular input in the midikiti, which has the
> > facility to store that number for that input. If I used the dtx's
> > default numbers, my kiti voices would change every time I
changed a
> > kit on the dtx. Jade's kiti, even reset to factory defaults,
will not
> > take a number from the dtxII and play the voice associated with
it.
> > We've (Walt, Jade, UNH, and I) been through hell and back
trying to
> > get the DTXII to do what Walt's and my modules do with ease.
> > Jade's and UNH's midi connections seem to be in order (we've been
> > through this, but I hope the back of the module is set ti MIDI).
> > Pitch is probably not a problem, at least so far as I can tell.
To
> > complicate the problem, an apps specialist at Yamaha has
informed Jade
> > that what he wants to do is impossible on the DTXII, but we
> > don't trust that information yet, since it can be done on earlier
> > versions and other Yamaha modules. It's very puzzling. I don't
think
> > that Jade or UNH have sequencers. That's the basic predicament.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...>
wrote:
> >> Ok, let me see if this helps any:
> >>
> >> I have a BOSS MPD-4 (here's a picture I found quickly through
> > GOOGLE:
> >> http://www.timberwolf.us/images/MPD-4.jpg). This is unit has a
> > single pad
> >> on it and inputs for 3 more pads. It outputs MIDI and I run a
MIID
> > cable
> >> from it to the MIDI-IN on my DTXPressII unit. I then set the
MPD-4
> > to
> >> channel 10, then use the "sound" knob to change the note
numbers it
> >> transmits till I hear the sound I'm hunting for (cowbell, conga,
> >> china-boy etc.).
> >>
> >> After doing this, the module is quite capable of playing that
> > sound when
> >> hit. I can also reset it for hand-claps or ride-bell or whatever
> > just by
> >> pusing the "sound set" button and tapping the pad while I rotate
> > the
> >> knob. As you slowly rotate the knob, you hear different voices.
> >>
> >> I will be getting some pads for it so I can use it as an extra 4
> > inputs
> >> for my set eventually, but for now I just use it as one
velocity-
> >> sensitive input for the DTXpressII module. Is this what you are
> > trying to
> >> do with the MIDIkiti etc.?
> >>
> >> If so, have you tried placing the output from the MIDIkiti into
a
> >> sequencer that has the ability to show you EXCATLY what is
coming
> > out of
> >> the KITI? I imagine if I were trouble shooting the rig you guys
> > have been
> >> describing, I would setup like this:
> >>
> >> MIDIKiti--->USB_MIDI_In--->PC_W/Sequencer-->USB_MIDI_Out--
>DTXpress
> >>
> >> Then, while recording from the PC/with sequencer software, I
would
> > strike
> >> the MIDIKiti and record the output. Then (depending on the
> > sequencer
> >> program you use) go back through the event list and see exactly
> > what is
> >> being transmitted. In fact, if you did this setup with the
> > PC/Sequencer
> >> set to MIDI-Through, you would be able to hear what was playing
> > and then
> >> identify the weird "truck horn" sound or whatever it is you
think
> > you are
> >> hearing.
> >>
> >> Something just occured to me, could it be the "truck horn"
sounds
> > you are
> >> hearing might be somthing like the standard "closed-hat" sound
> > being
> >> pitch-shifted down 4 octaves or so? Maybe there is an octave
> > switch or
> >> pitch change or some such on the KITI? Also, is the Kiti ONLY
> > going out
> >> to the DTXpress and not looped back IN to the MIDIkiti from the
> > DTXpress?
> >> If so, it might be that you're seeing some strange multi-trigger
> > thing if
> >> you have a loop like that...
> >>
> >> Again, any of the above scenarios could be discovered by
examining
> > the
> >> event data in the track the sequencer captured. :)
> >>
> >> Vern
> >>
> >> --
> >> Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE | "If the network is down, then
you're
> >> Senior Systems Engineer | obviously incompetent so why are
we
> >> Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the
network
> >> vern@t... www.txis.com | is up, then we obviously don't need
> >> Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?"
VLG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> liberatusvirus said:
> >> > Vern,
> >> >
> >> > What we've been trying to do with the DTXII that we can do
with
> >> earlier modules is attach a user midi note (not one of the
> > default
> >> > midi notes to a particular input) to a particular dtx drum
voice
> > and
> >> > store that note on a midi interface like the PM-16 or the Kat
> >> > midiKITI. The ultimate goal is to have a pad played through
one
> > of the
> >> > kiti's or PM-16's inputs access the appropriate voice/note on
> > the dtx
> >> > through the midi connection to effectively enlarge the dtx
kit.
> > Can
> >> > you use an app to play a such a midi note back through the
dtx?
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> >
> >> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...>
> > wrote:
> >> >> Ok, I have a DTXpressII and I have it setup w/MIDI going to a
> >> > MIDIMAN 2x2
> >> >> USB Midi port to my Windows XP machine running SOnar. I have
> > had no
> >> >> problem getting tracks recorded to SONAR and playing them
back
> >> > through
> >> >> the DTXpressII module. Not just drums (on channel 10) but
> > General
> >> > MIDI
> >> >> sounds on other channels. I have also hooked up my MIDIMAN
USB
> >> > keystation
> >> >> external MIDI keyboard nad have used it to trigger drum
sounds
> > and
> >> >> general MIDI sounds from the DTXpressII, just as I would
expect
> > it
> >> > to
> >> >> work. So, as far as I can tell, there isn't any problem with
the
> >> DTXPressII working with external MIDI sources.... Is there
> >> > anything I can
> >> >> tell you guys or test for you to try and help in all the
> >> > madness? ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> Vern
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE | "If the network is down, then
> > you're
> >> >> Senior Systems Engineer | obviously incompetent so why
are
> > we
> >> >> Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the
> > network
> >> >> vern@t... www.txis.com | is up, then we obviously don't
need Cell
> >> 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?"
> > VLG
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Walt said:
> >> >> > Hi Everyone,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You may have seen some posts lately about members trying to
> >> > trigger
> >> >> > DYXpress IIs from external devices (PM-16 or Kiti).
Although
> > we
> >> > have
> >> >> > tried many tactics (including ones that worked on DTXpress
and
> >> > DTX V2
> >> >> > modules), so far we have not beewn successful.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What I am looking for is anyone that has a DTXpress II,
and an
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> >> >> external MIDI device, that has either successfully triggered
> > drum
> >> >> sounds from a DTXpress II on MIDI channel 10, or has a setup
> > that
> >> >> would allow them to test this. Since the DTXpress II is a
> >> > somewhat new
> >> >> > beast, we're trying to figure out if we all got suddenly
> > dumber,
> >> > or
> >> >> > maybe there is a problem with the DTXpress II's MIDI code?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks, Walt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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