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RE: [DTXpress] Re: new product

2003-04-23 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Oh, geez. I guess I should have used a back channel of communications, since
I'm sure the Yamaha 007 spies are documenting everything that is posted
here. No doubt they have just activate an emergency response team of
lawyers, to try and nip this conspiracy to improve their product in the bud.
On the other hand, considering the amount of dollars I have personnally
spent on their stuff, this type of software should have already been
included and this should not have to be a topic of discussion here or
anywhere else!! The real shame is that I would have easy spent $100-$200
more per kit/module to get some of these simple extra features. The biggest
joke of the DTXpressII kit is that only one L-Stabilizer was provided with
the kit even though the kits comes with two cymbals. If our cost is $17 then
their cost was probably $3 in the quantities being sold. Bean counters
strike again.

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:40 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: new product
> 
> Oldguy,
> 
> Someone was talking about devising one or altering another program 
> to perform that function years ago, I think, but it never 
> materialized. I don't think that it would represent much of a threat 
> to Yamaha. Do you?
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > On the software topic, it has been over tens years since I did any 
> VB
> > programming. But it would seem to me that if the kits data file of 
> 972 bytes
> > (typical size) could be broken down into it's basic information 
> (user kit
> > no., pad type,voices) that a simple windows interface could be 
> written to
> > access/modify perimeters from some simple pulldown menu's. Has 
> anyone tried
> > to tackle this?? Or is the data stream "encode/encripted" to 
> prevent direct
> > manipulation?? Just curious.
> > 
> > OldGuyDrummer
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:       Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...]
> > > Sent:       Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:19 PM
> > > To:       DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:       Re: [DTXpress] Re: new product
> > > 
> > > Ed,
> > > Yamaha certainly could use some upgrading on their
> > > cymbals and HH sounds...and it would be FANTASTIC if
> > > we could download    on our computers a particular drum
> > > sound, whether it be cymbal, HH or any drum sound, and
> > > then upload it to the DT module.    Seems to me, because
> > > the current DTX module is a computer (Martin's own
> > > words), all it would take to "upgrade" our current DTX
> > > brains would be a computer chip.    The MidiKiti had
> > > that capability-it is documented in my owners manual
> > > for the Kiti.    But, in the long run, if one were able
> > > to upgrade the DTXII modules with a computer chip,
> > > then Yamaha would loose out in sales of the new
> > > DTXtreme module.    I, for one, will be anxiously
> > > waiting to see what is offered, and will probably buy
> > > a new module, then try and sell my 2 DTXII
> > > mods...STILL trying to sell the Midi Kiti....couldn't
> > > sell it twice on ebay...and I see someone had one last
> > > week on ebay, and last I looked, didn't sell
> > > either...at least at the time, no one was bidding.
> > > Jade
> > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Oldguy,
> > > > 
> > > > I can tell you this much: The holdup on the new
> > > > module was about 
> > > > licensing difficulties. I don't know, however,
> > > > whether the licensing 
> > > > was for samples or for appended software. I'm hoping
> > > > it was for 
> > > > cymbals. But I'd say that the secrecy is a corporate
> > > > competition 
> > > > thing, as you suggested.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > > > > Could it be that they believe that Roland might be
> > > > coming out with 
> > > > a new
> > > > > module (TD-12) and they don't want to let it
> > > > slipout what features 
> > > > their
> > > > > module has until the last moment?    Perhaps, they
> > > > are designing 
> > > > more of
> > > > > PC-based system that allows total control of the
> > > > module from a 
> > > > PC/MAC, and
> > > > > the software side of the R&D has lagged behind the
> > > > hardware side 
> > > > as it
> > > > > happens in other manufacturing industries. The
> > > > fact that they have 
> > > > not
> > > > > provided any software with the DTXpressII that
> > > > would provide even 
> > > > basic I/O
> > > > > with a PC/MAC (you have to use a third party or
> > > > freeware software 
> > > > program to
> > > > > download/upload kits, etc.) , tells me they are
> > > > not strong 
> > > > software people
> > > > > in this area, and they would probably have to
> > > > contract out-of-
> > > > house for
> > > > > software development. You'd be supprise at just
> > > > how much of that 
> > > > is done in
> > > > > the industry. (I can't give specific examples, due
> > > > to 
> > > > confidentialty
> > > > > agreements that we have with some internationally
> > > > branded 
> > > > industries.) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just a thought.
> > > > > 
> > > > > OldGuyDrummer
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From:        Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...]
> > > > > > Sent:        Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PM
> > > > > > To:        DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject:        Re: [DTXpress] new product
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national
> > > > > > security!!!     Wonder why they are being tight
> > > > lipped?
> > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Here's the quoted official response from
> > > > > > > headquarters about new 
> > > > > > > modules and kits:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official
> > > > release
> > > > > > > date of any new 
> > > > > > > electronic brains to replace current kits.
> > > > Check
> > > > > > > with us in the 
> > > > > > > summer which new models of various products
> > > > will be
> > > > > > > shown at Summer 
> > > > > > > Namm. If you have any further questions,
> > > > please call
> > > > > > > us at (714) 522-
> > > > > > > 9000 or email us."
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