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2003-04-23 by liberatusvirus
Here's the quoted official response from headquarters about new modules and kits: "At this time there is no word or official release date of any new electronic brains to replace current kits. Check with us in the summer which new models of various products will be shown at Summer Namm. If you have any further questions, please call us at (714) 522- 9000 or email us." Mum's the word.
2003-04-23 by Jade
Ed, Man...you'd think it was a matter of national security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? Jade --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote: > Here's the quoted official response from > headquarters about new > modules and kits: > > "At this time there is no word or official release > date of any new > electronic brains to replace current kits. Check > with us in the > summer which new models of various products will be > shown at Summer > Namm. If you have any further questions, please call > us at (714) 522- > 9000 or email us." > > Mum's the word. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com
2003-04-23 by liberatusvirus
Jade, I'm not at all surprised. It's like that with every company. None of them wants the other to know what they have up their sleeve. It's all about getting the upper hand on the competition. I trust you got my message about the Ludwig hat? Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> Ed, > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? > Jade > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > Here's the quoted official response from > > headquarters about new > > modules and kits: > > > > "At this time there is no word or official release > > date of any new > > electronic brains to replace current kits. Check > > with us in the > > summer which new models of various products will be > > shown at Summer > > Namm. If you have any further questions, please call > > us at (714) 522- > > 9000 or email us." > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com
2003-04-23 by underneathheaven
Because if we knew how good the new product was going to be we'd all cease in buying the currently available product to save for the new one! Well atleast thats why I hope they're being like that! :) -UN.H --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> Ed, > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? > Jade > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > Here's the quoted official response from > > headquarters about new > > modules and kits: > > > > "At this time there is no word or official release > > date of any new > > electronic brains to replace current kits. Check > > with us in the > > summer which new models of various products will be > > shown at Summer > > Namm. If you have any further questions, please call > > us at (714) 522- > > 9000 or email us." > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com
2003-04-23 by liberatusvirus
UNH, That, too. But in this case, they know that we know that something is up. And nobody who's looking for product in the higher end is going to be satisfied with the Xpress, anyway (no disrespect intended; the dtxpress is a wonderful unit). They might well just buy a Roland or a ddrum instead. Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> wrote: > Because if we knew how good the new product was going to be we'd all > cease in buying the currently available product to save for the new
> one! Well atleast thats why I hope they're being like that! :) > > -UN.H > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote: > > Ed, > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? > > Jade > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > Here's the quoted official response from > > > headquarters about new > > > modules and kits: > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official release > > > date of any new > > > electronic brains to replace current kits. Check > > > with us in the > > > summer which new models of various products will be > > > shown at Summer > > > Namm. If you have any further questions, please call > > > us at (714) 522- > > > 9000 or email us." > > > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com
2003-04-23 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Could it be that they believe that Roland might be coming out with a new module (TD-12) and they don't want to let it slipout what features their module has until the last moment? Perhaps, they are designing more of PC-based system that allows total control of the module from a PC/MAC, and the software side of the R&D has lagged behind the hardware side as it happens in other manufacturing industries. The fact that they have not provided any software with the DTXpressII that would provide even basic I/O with a PC/MAC (you have to use a third party or freeware software program to download/upload kits, etc.) , tells me they are not strong software people in this area, and they would probably have to contract out-of-house for software development. You'd be supprise at just how much of that is done in the industry. (I can't give specific examples, due to confidentialty agreements that we have with some internationally branded industries.) Just a thought. OldGuyDrummer > -----Original Message----- > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] new product > > Ed, > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? > Jade > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote: > > Here's the quoted official response from > > headquarters about new > > modules and kits: > > > > "At this time there is no word or official release > > date of any new > > electronic brains to replace current kits. Check > > with us in the > > summer which new models of various products will be > > shown at Summer > > Namm. If you have any further questions, please call > > us at (714) 522- > > 9000 or email us." > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > <http://search.yahoo.com> > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=249675.3194312.4504025.2332303/D=egroupweb/S=170503 > 1972:HM/A=1542901/R=0/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=590&l > ineid=3194312?=egroupweb&pos=HM> > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=249675.3194312.4504025.2332303/D=egroupm > ail/S=:HM/A=1542901/rand=191582279> > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer.
2003-04-23 by liberatusvirus
Oldguy, I can tell you this much: The holdup on the new module was about licensing difficulties. I don't know, however, whether the licensing was for samples or for appended software. I'm hoping it was for cymbals. But I'd say that the secrecy is a corporate competition thing, as you suggested. Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > Could it be that they believe that Roland might be coming out with a new > module (TD-12) and they don't want to let it slipout what features their > module has until the last moment? Perhaps, they are designing more of > PC-based system that allows total control of the module from a PC/MAC, and > the software side of the R&D has lagged behind the hardware side as it > happens in other manufacturing industries. The fact that they have not > provided any software with the DTXpressII that would provide even basic I/O > with a PC/MAC (you have to use a third party or freeware software program to > download/upload kits, etc.) , tells me they are not strong software people > in this area, and they would probably have to contract out-of- house for > software development. You'd be supprise at just how much of that is done in > the industry. (I can't give specific examples, due to confidentialty > agreements that we have with some internationally branded industries.) > > Just a thought. > > OldGuyDrummer > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PM > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] new product > > > > Ed, > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? > > Jade > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > Here's the quoted official response from > > > headquarters about new > > > modules and kits: > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official release > > > date of any new > > > electronic brains to replace current kits. Check > > > with us in the > > > summer which new models of various products will be > > > shown at Summer > > > Namm. If you have any further questions, please call > > > us at (714) 522- > > > 9000 or email us." > > > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > <http://search.yahoo.com> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=249675.3194312.4504025.2332303/D=egroupweb/S=1 70503 > > 1972:HM/A=1542901/R=0/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir? camp=590&l > > ineid=3194312?=egroupweb&pos=HM> > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l? M=249675.3194312.4504025.2332303/D=egroupm > > ail/S=:HM/A=1542901/rand=191582279> > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > <http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > ********************************************************************* ***** > The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only > for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer.
2003-04-23 by Jade
Ed, I got your message about the Ludwig...I am debating whether I should use a rack mounted HH stand...plus the other factor is the size of the clamp on the Visulite-that attaches to the HH. I guess I could try out a standard HH stand from my dealer, and if it doesn't work out, they will let me order a rack mounted HH stand. the thing I am concerned about is the fact that I am 5'3 and trying to position the stand (if it is rack mounted) in a comfortable position. Jade --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote: > Jade, > > I'm not at all surprised. It's like that with every > company. None of > them wants the other to know what they have up their > sleeve. It's > all about getting the upper hand on the competition. > I trust you got > my message about the Ludwig hat? > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade > <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote: > > Ed, > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight > lipped? > > Jade > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > Here's the quoted official response from > > > headquarters about new > > > modules and kits: > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official > release > > > date of any new > > > electronic brains to replace current kits. Check > > > with us in the > > > summer which new models of various products will > be > > > shown at Summer > > > Namm. If you have any further questions, please > call > > > us at (714) 522- > > > 9000 or email us." > > > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com
2003-04-23 by Jade
Ed, Yamaha certainly could use some upgrading on their cymbals and HH sounds...and it would be FANTASTIC if we could download on our computers a particular drum sound, whether it be cymbal, HH or any drum sound, and then upload it to the DT module. Seems to me, because the current DTX module is a computer (Martin's own words), all it would take to "upgrade" our current DTX brains would be a computer chip. The MidiKiti had that capability-it is documented in my owners manual for the Kiti. But, in the long run, if one were able to upgrade the DTXII modules with a computer chip, then Yamaha would loose out in sales of the new DTXtreme module. I, for one, will be anxiously waiting to see what is offered, and will probably buy a new module, then try and sell my 2 DTXII mods...STILL trying to sell the Midi Kiti....couldn't sell it twice on ebay...and I see someone had one last week on ebay, and last I looked, didn't sell either...at least at the time, no one was bidding. Jade --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote: > Oldguy, > > I can tell you this much: The holdup on the new > module was about > licensing difficulties. I don't know, however, > whether the licensing > was for samples or for appended software. I'm hoping > it was for > cymbals. But I'd say that the secrecy is a corporate > competition > thing, as you suggested. > > Ed > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > Could it be that they believe that Roland might be > coming out with > a new > > module (TD-12) and they don't want to let it > slipout what features > their > > module has until the last moment? Perhaps, they > are designing > more of > > PC-based system that allows total control of the > module from a > PC/MAC, and > > the software side of the R&D has lagged behind the > hardware side > as it > > happens in other manufacturing industries. The > fact that they have > not > > provided any software with the DTXpressII that > would provide even > basic I/O > > with a PC/MAC (you have to use a third party or > freeware software > program to > > download/upload kits, etc.) , tells me they are > not strong > software people > > in this area, and they would probably have to > contract out-of- > house for > > software development. You'd be supprise at just > how much of that > is done in > > the industry. (I can't give specific examples, due > to > confidentialty > > agreements that we have with some internationally > branded > industries.) > > > > Just a thought. > > > > OldGuyDrummer > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PM > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] new product > > > > > > Ed, > > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight > lipped? > > > Jade > > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > Here's the quoted official response from > > > > headquarters about new > > > > modules and kits: > > > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official > release > > > > date of any new > > > > electronic brains to replace current kits. > Check > > > > with us in the > > > > summer which new models of various products > will be > > > > shown at Summer > > > > Namm. If you have any further questions, > please call > > > > us at (714) 522- > > > > 9000 or email us." > > > > > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > > <http://search.yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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2003-04-23 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
On the software topic, it has been over tens years since I did any VB programming. But it would seem to me that if the kits data file of 972 bytes (typical size) could be broken down into it's basic information (user kit no., pad type,voices) that a simple windows interface could be written to access/modify perimeters from some simple pulldown menu's. Has anyone tried to tackle this?? Or is the data stream "encode/encripted" to prevent direct manipulation?? Just curious. OldGuyDrummer > -----Original Message----- > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:19 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: new product > > Ed, > Yamaha certainly could use some upgrading on their > cymbals and HH sounds...and it would be FANTASTIC if > we could download on our computers a particular drum > sound, whether it be cymbal, HH or any drum sound, and > then upload it to the DT module. Seems to me, because > the current DTX module is a computer (Martin's own > words), all it would take to "upgrade" our current DTX > brains would be a computer chip. The MidiKiti had > that capability-it is documented in my owners manual > for the Kiti. But, in the long run, if one were able > to upgrade the DTXII modules with a computer chip, > then Yamaha would loose out in sales of the new > DTXtreme module. I, for one, will be anxiously > waiting to see what is offered, and will probably buy > a new module, then try and sell my 2 DTXII > mods...STILL trying to sell the Midi Kiti....couldn't > sell it twice on ebay...and I see someone had one last > week on ebay, and last I looked, didn't sell > either...at least at the time, no one was bidding. > Jade > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote: > > Oldguy, > > > > I can tell you this much: The holdup on the new > > module was about > > licensing difficulties. I don't know, however, > > whether the licensing > > was for samples or for appended software. I'm hoping > > it was for > > cymbals. But I'd say that the secrecy is a corporate > > competition > > thing, as you suggested. > > > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > > Could it be that they believe that Roland might be > > coming out with > > a new > > > module (TD-12) and they don't want to let it > > slipout what features > > their > > > module has until the last moment? Perhaps, they > > are designing > > more of > > > PC-based system that allows total control of the > > module from a > > PC/MAC, and > > > the software side of the R&D has lagged behind the > > hardware side > > as it > > > happens in other manufacturing industries. The > > fact that they have > > not > > > provided any software with the DTXpressII that > > would provide even > > basic I/O > > > with a PC/MAC (you have to use a third party or > > freeware software > > program to > > > download/upload kits, etc.) , tells me they are > > not strong > > software people > > > in this area, and they would probably have to > > contract out-of- > > house for > > > software development. You'd be supprise at just > > how much of that > > is done in > > > the industry. (I can't give specific examples, due > > to > > confidentialty > > > agreements that we have with some internationally > > branded > > industries.) > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > OldGuyDrummer > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PM > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] new product > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight > > lipped? > > > > Jade > > > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > Here's the quoted official response from > > > > > headquarters about new > > > > > modules and kits: > > > > > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official > > release > > > > > date of any new > > > > > electronic brains to replace current kits. > > Check > > > > > with us in the > > > > > summer which new models of various products > > will be > > > > > shown at Summer > > > > > Namm. If you have any further questions, > > please call > > > > > us at (714) 522- > > > > > 9000 or email us." > > > > > > > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > > > < <http://search.yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > < <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=249675.3194312.4504025.2332303/D=egroupweb/S=1> > > 70503 > > > > > > > 1972:HM/A=1542901/R=0/* <http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?> > > camp=590&l > > > > ineid=3194312?=egroupweb&pos=HM> > > > > > > > > < <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?> > > M=249675.3194312.4504025.2332303/D=egroupm > > > > ail/S=:HM/A=1542901/rand=191582279> > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > > > Unsubscribe: > > DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > < <http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress>> > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > > Yahoo! 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2003-04-23 by liberatusvirus
Oldguy, Someone was talking about devising one or altering another program to perform that function years ago, I think, but it never materialized. I don't think that it would represent much of a threat to Yamaha. Do you? Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > On the software topic, it has been over tens years since I did any VB > programming. But it would seem to me that if the kits data file of 972 bytes > (typical size) could be broken down into it's basic information (user kit > no., pad type,voices) that a simple windows interface could be written to > access/modify perimeters from some simple pulldown menu's. Has anyone tried > to tackle this?? Or is the data stream "encode/encripted" to prevent direct > manipulation?? Just curious. > > OldGuyDrummer > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:19 PM > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: new product > > > > Ed, > > Yamaha certainly could use some upgrading on their > > cymbals and HH sounds...and it would be FANTASTIC if > > we could download on our computers a particular drum > > sound, whether it be cymbal, HH or any drum sound, and > > then upload it to the DT module. Seems to me, because > > the current DTX module is a computer (Martin's own > > words), all it would take to "upgrade" our current DTX > > brains would be a computer chip. The MidiKiti had > > that capability-it is documented in my owners manual > > for the Kiti. But, in the long run, if one were able > > to upgrade the DTXII modules with a computer chip, > > then Yamaha would loose out in sales of the new > > DTXtreme module. I, for one, will be anxiously > > waiting to see what is offered, and will probably buy > > a new module, then try and sell my 2 DTXII > > mods...STILL trying to sell the Midi Kiti....couldn't > > sell it twice on ebay...and I see someone had one last > > week on ebay, and last I looked, didn't sell > > either...at least at the time, no one was bidding. > > Jade > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > Oldguy, > > > > > > I can tell you this much: The holdup on the new > > > module was about > > > licensing difficulties. I don't know, however, > > > whether the licensing > > > was for samples or for appended software. I'm hoping > > > it was for > > > cymbals. But I'd say that the secrecy is a corporate > > > competition > > > thing, as you suggested. > > > > > > Ed > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > > > Could it be that they believe that Roland might be > > > coming out with > > > a new > > > > module (TD-12) and they don't want to let it > > > slipout what features > > > their > > > > module has until the last moment? Perhaps, they > > > are designing > > > more of > > > > PC-based system that allows total control of the > > > module from a > > > PC/MAC, and > > > > the software side of the R&D has lagged behind the > > > hardware side > > > as it > > > > happens in other manufacturing industries. The > > > fact that they have > > > not > > > > provided any software with the DTXpressII that > > > would provide even > > > basic I/O > > > > with a PC/MAC (you have to use a third party or > > > freeware software > > > program to > > > > download/upload kits, etc.) , tells me they are > > > not strong > > > software people > > > > in this area, and they would probably have to > > > contract out-of- > > > house for > > > > software development. You'd be supprise at just > > > how much of that > > > is done in > > > > the industry. (I can't give specific examples, due > > > to > > > confidentialty > > > > agreements that we have with some internationally > > > branded > > > industries.) > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > > OldGuyDrummer > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PM > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] new product > > > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > > > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight > > > lipped? > > > > > Jade > > > > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Here's the quoted official response from > > > > > > headquarters about new > > > > > > modules and kits: > > > > > > > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official > > > release > > > > > > date of any new > > > > > > electronic brains to replace current kits. > > > Check > > > > > > with us in the > > > > > > summer which new models of various products > > > will be > > > > > > shown at Summer > > > > > > Namm. If you have any further questions, > > > please call > > > > > > us at (714) 522- > > > > > > 9000 or email us." > > > > > > > > > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > > > > < <http://search.yahoo.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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2003-04-23 by moosetication
--- Jade wrote: > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? Anyone who works for any sort of product company can answer that: 1. So the competition don't find out. Actually, this is largely bogus, as everyone knows pretty much what everyone else is doing in any niche industry. This is just to hide the real reason, which is... 2. To ensure people keep buying current models, since that's what pays R&D's salary. I have been "involved" (peripherally, not causally, I should emphasise) with two companies that have had either large plants or whole divisions close because of an incautious salesman letting details of the new model slip. Stewart
2003-04-23 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Oh, geez. I guess I should have used a back channel of communications, since I'm sure the Yamaha 007 spies are documenting everything that is posted here. No doubt they have just activate an emergency response team of lawyers, to try and nip this conspiracy to improve their product in the bud. On the other hand, considering the amount of dollars I have personnally spent on their stuff, this type of software should have already been included and this should not have to be a topic of discussion here or anywhere else!! The real shame is that I would have easy spent $100-$200 more per kit/module to get some of these simple extra features. The biggest joke of the DTXpressII kit is that only one L-Stabilizer was provided with the kit even though the kits comes with two cymbals. If our cost is $17 then their cost was probably $3 in the quantities being sold. Bean counters strike again. OldGuyDrummer > -----Original Message----- > From: liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:40 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: new product > > Oldguy, > > Someone was talking about devising one or altering another program > to perform that function years ago, I think, but it never > materialized. I don't think that it would represent much of a threat > to Yamaha. Do you? > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > On the software topic, it has been over tens years since I did any > VB > > programming. But it would seem to me that if the kits data file of > 972 bytes > > (typical size) could be broken down into it's basic information > (user kit > > no., pad type,voices) that a simple windows interface could be > written to > > access/modify perimeters from some simple pulldown menu's. Has > anyone tried > > to tackle this?? Or is the data stream "encode/encripted" to > prevent direct > > manipulation?? Just curious. > > > > OldGuyDrummer > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:19 PM > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: new product > > > > > > Ed, > > > Yamaha certainly could use some upgrading on their > > > cymbals and HH sounds...and it would be FANTASTIC if > > > we could download on our computers a particular drum > > > sound, whether it be cymbal, HH or any drum sound, and > > > then upload it to the DT module. Seems to me, because > > > the current DTX module is a computer (Martin's own > > > words), all it would take to "upgrade" our current DTX > > > brains would be a computer chip. The MidiKiti had > > > that capability-it is documented in my owners manual > > > for the Kiti. But, in the long run, if one were able > > > to upgrade the DTXII modules with a computer chip, > > > then Yamaha would loose out in sales of the new > > > DTXtreme module. I, for one, will be anxiously > > > waiting to see what is offered, and will probably buy > > > a new module, then try and sell my 2 DTXII > > > mods...STILL trying to sell the Midi Kiti....couldn't > > > sell it twice on ebay...and I see someone had one last > > > week on ebay, and last I looked, didn't sell > > > either...at least at the time, no one was bidding. > > > Jade > > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > Oldguy, > > > > > > > > I can tell you this much: The holdup on the new > > > > module was about > > > > licensing difficulties. I don't know, however, > > > > whether the licensing > > > > was for samples or for appended software. I'm hoping > > > > it was for > > > > cymbals. But I'd say that the secrecy is a corporate > > > > competition > > > > thing, as you suggested. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > > > > Could it be that they believe that Roland might be > > > > coming out with > > > > a new > > > > > module (TD-12) and they don't want to let it > > > > slipout what features > > > > their > > > > > module has until the last moment? Perhaps, they > > > > are designing > > > > more of > > > > > PC-based system that allows total control of the > > > > module from a > > > > PC/MAC, and > > > > > the software side of the R&D has lagged behind the > > > > hardware side > > > > as it > > > > > happens in other manufacturing industries. The > > > > fact that they have > > > > not > > > > > provided any software with the DTXpressII that > > > > would provide even > > > > basic I/O > > > > > with a PC/MAC (you have to use a third party or > > > > freeware software > > > > program to > > > > > download/upload kits, etc.) , tells me they are > > > > not strong > > > > software people > > > > > in this area, and they would probably have to > > > > contract out-of- > > > > house for > > > > > software development. You'd be supprise at just > > > > how much of that > > > > is done in > > > > > the industry. (I can't give specific examples, due > > > > to > > > > confidentialty > > > > > agreements that we have with some internationally > > > > branded > > > > industries.) > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > > > > OldGuyDrummer > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:29 PM > > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] new product > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > > > > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight > > > > lipped? > > > > > > Jade > > > > > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > Here's the quoted official response from > > > > > > > headquarters about new > > > > > > > modules and kits: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "At this time there is no word or official > > > > release > > > > > > > date of any new > > > > > > > electronic brains to replace current kits. > > > > Check > > > > > > > with us in the > > > > > > > summer which new models of various products > > > > will be > > > > > > > shown at Summer > > > > > > > Namm. If you have any further questions, > > > > please call > > > > > > > us at (714) 522- > > > > > > > 9000 or email us." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mum's the word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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2003-04-23 by liberatusvirus
Hey Stewart, Can't argue with that logic. In this case, however, there's no product for the potential Yamaha buyer to fall back on. The DTXpress, as good as it is, is not the flagship product that I asked about, and in the e-drum niche, the unavailablitity of, say, the DTXtreme does not so much send someone to the DTXpress as to rivals like Roland. It's a small world, and we sorta know what everyone is doing, but the margins of ignorance, small as they are, matter to our miniscule population. By the way, here is an excerpt from an article about the capacity of lawsuits to expose sensitive corporate secrets. It indirectly seems to speak to the point: "In the information age, ideas are the bread and butter of business. The success of software companies, biotech firms and other technology-related businesses is dependent upon keeping new discoveries and business information secret. If, through exploratory litigation, a company can find out what its competitor is doing simply by coming up with frivolous charges, then intellectual property . . . and the growth of the economy are at serious risk. "Revealing companies' proprietary information and intellectual property will harm consumers because it will discourage investment in research and development . . . . If companies can learn about competitors' best ideas . . . , businesses will be less likely to document or even fund projects in the R&D phase." --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> wrote: > --- Jade wrote: > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight lipped? > > Anyone who works for any sort of product company can answer that: > > 1. So the competition don't find out. Actually, this is largely > bogus, as everyone knows pretty much what everyone else is doing in > any niche industry. This is just to hide the real reason, which is...
> > 2. To ensure people keep buying current models, since that's what > pays R&D's salary. > > I have been "involved" (peripherally, not causally, I should > emphasise) with two companies that have had either large plants or > whole divisions close because of an incautious salesman letting > details of the new model slip. > > Stewart
2003-04-24 by Jade
Makes sense to me now that I think about it!! Thanks for the info....I still can't wait til the new module comes out...but I guess that means I will be wishing the summer away :( Jade --- moosetication <moosetication@...> wrote: > --- Jade wrote: > > Man...you'd think it was a matter of national > > security!!! Wonder why they are being tight > lipped? > > Anyone who works for any sort of product company can > answer that: > > 1. So the competition don't find out. Actually, this > is largely > bogus, as everyone knows pretty much what everyone > else is doing in > any niche industry. This is just to hide the real > reason, which is... > > 2. To ensure people keep buying current models, > since that's what > pays R&D's salary. > > I have been "involved" (peripherally, not causally, > I should > emphasise) with two companies that have had either > large plants or > whole divisions close because of an incautious > salesman letting > details of the new model slip. > > Stewart > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com
2003-04-24 by Harri Ohra-aho
Once I got frustrated over the small buttons on the module enough to chart out the contents of a user kit syx file. So it's not encoded. The file has distinct blocks of data for every pad and so on. Finding out the structure of the file was quite a pain in the butt though, fiddling with a kit parameter and dumping the file to a computer to check out with a hex editor which byte has changed. I got it charted out pretty nicely though, except that there's this one byte that just changes between 0 and 1 and doesn't seem to represent any real setting. Oh well... :) And as every parameter except the kit name is just a numerical value it was at times a bit puzzling to connect it with the setting value that's visible on the module. Didn't get around to coding a software for it yet though. Harri --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > On the software topic, it has been over tens years since I did any VB > programming. But it would seem to me that if the kits data file of 972 bytes > (typical size) could be broken down into it's basic information (user kit > no., pad type,voices) that a simple windows interface could be written to > access/modify perimeters from some simple pulldown menu's. Has anyone tried > to tackle this?? Or is the data stream "encode/encripted" to prevent direct > manipulation?? Just curious. >
2003-04-24 by Roger Teevan
Hi guys I too felt that such PC software was missing and so I am currently developing my own Java application with a view to sharing it with the DTX forums.