Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

this works best when done on a non-choking cymbal, but the nature of midi is
that each hit is a new event which re-initiates the sound in the module.
This stops the reverb you so carefully set up in your voice settings. If you
think about it- the self-rejection setting is one aspect of this design and
might actually make the stutter effect worse. Recently I was playing some
music that required a cymbal roll with mallets- I used an actual cymbal.

-----Original Message-----
From: emf [mailto:liberatusvirus@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:53 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Cymbal Rolls


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay" <jayluv6@y...> wrote:
> ok, i may be missing something here, but how do you roll on a cymbal
> without it sounding like banging on a cheapa$$ keyboard? is there
any
> way to make it sound natural? this is the first flaw i've seen with
> the DTX so far, and it's a pretty big one. along the same lines,
> choking the cymbal sounds completely fake as well. what's the deal?
is
> there any way to make those crashes sound like a real cymbal?
>
> and if you haven't checked it out yet, download my song
> (01_01-04-2004.mp3 in the MP3 folder). i'm dying for some
feedback!!!

I agree. Cymbal rolling is a weakness of the DTXpress module. The
module seems unable to compensate for the fact that each new strike
of an e-cymbal, unlike that of an acoustic cymbal, is a completely
new event, without the benefit of the natural vibration and decay of
the one that preceded it. Experimenting with the decay setting in the
voice menu might help a little bit, and certain cymbal sounds may be
incrementally better than others, but the machine-gun effect
generally remains in evidence. If it's any consolation, I've noticed
that the brand of cymbal can make a difference as well (but don't ask
me to explain how). The choking seems fake because it is . . . well,
fake. I never thought that it was so bad, though, except for unwanted
chokes, which is bad enough. But apparently the PCY65S is better in
that respect than the 80S. The more expensive modules tend to handle
these functions more gracefully. Once the bit and sampling rates
improve, and samples begin either to carry more information or to
link up with better effects, cymbal rolling at a modest price should
become more realistic. Ddrum, for example, is much more convincing in
that regard, despite having only an 18 bit engine.

Ed


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