Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

My only issue with the DTXpress I is that we've only got the II 
and III formats so far... unless someone knows where we can find 
the "I" format.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Monsieur_Benoit" 
<monsieur_benoit@y...> wrote:
> I'm a synth player, but I often visit a friend who has a DTXpress 
II. I know another one who has a DTXpress I (but harder to get the 
hands on).
> So of you need to have some tests done on one of these modules, 
I'll be also very happy to help.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Benoit
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jjcorley0000 
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:30 PM
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Sysex Bulk Dump Data
> 
> 
> 
>       I certainly am very familiar with a "gathering requirements" 
>   phase building up a set of goals that can never be reached.  I 
>   definately plan to start small and see what happens from there.
> 
>       Its actually for that reason (and issues I have with GPL) 
that I 
>   don't plan on working within Jsynthlib.  I certainly will offer 
the 
>   application for free, but not via the GPL.
> 
>       I do plan on supporting all the DTXpress models.  The formats 
>   between the II and III looking pretty close and it shouldn't be 
too 
>   much more effort... testing will be my only issue as I will only 
>   have the III.  I'll need someone with a II, who won't mind if 
their 
>   settings get FUBAR'd, to do some beta testing for me when I get 
to 
>   that stage.
> 
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> 
wrote:
>   > These are all excellent ideas. 
>   > 
>   > From my point of view, with three modules, just being able to 
>   > upload/download the kit settings and trigger settings, one 
module 
>   at 
>   > a time, into the PC, and editing them, would be a 1000 percent 
>   > improvement.
>   > 
>   > I would just suggest that unless you have alot a spare time on 
>   your 
>   > hands, which is probably not the case for most folks, is to 
keep 
>   if 
>   > basic and simple. If the project program becomes overly 
>   complicated, 
>   > trying to accommodate everybody's wishlist, then it may not get 
>   > finished. (i.e. Drumb and Drumber Manual) 
>   > 
>   > At where I work, we would talk about generating a detail 
>   > program/shreadsheet for panelboard calculations. The problem 
was 
>   that 
>   > a gigantic wishlist was generated and the project just never 
got 
>   > complete. I went and generated a simple spreadsheet that does 
the 
>   job 
>   > and everybody is now using it. If we had waited for the perfect 
>   > program, we would still be waiting and doing the calculations 
>   > manually. I have updated the spreadsheet a dozen times over the 
>   > years, as time became available and it is still being used.
>   > 
>   > Since the Sysex, is slightly different for the Dtxpress 
I/II/III, 
>   it 
>   > maybe better to keep it simplier, so that it can be adapted for 
>   use 
>   > with all these modules, as oppose, having just one complex 
program 
>   > for just one module. But if you end up with a dtxpress III, I 
>   fully 
>   > understand, spending you effect exclusively concentrating on it.
>   > 
>   > But ultimately, you will have to decide on the difficulty 
factor 
>   and 
>   > your available time.
>   > 
>   > If there are any specific technical information or question 
that 
>   you 
>   > need as your are working through the programming task, I can 
pass 
>   > them onto Yamaha, as they seem to be responding to my requests 
as 
>   a 
>   > moderator here, very quickly.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > OldGuyDrummer (OGD)
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Monsieur_Benoit" 
>   > <monsieur_benoit@y...> wrote:
>   > > Hi all,
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > Basically, as far as I know about editor (for synths), you 
>   should 
>   > do with an editor/librarian :
>   > > 
>   > > As a librarian :
>   > > 
>   > > - open a sysex or request a dump (bulk dumps or partial 
dumps : 
>   > only a song, a kit....)
>   > > - view all the data on screen, in a big array for exemple
>   > > - move, switch or delete elements
>   > > - send the whole data, or just a part (a kit...)
>   > > - save the data, as sysex, and/or as proprietary if you're 
>   adding 
>   > stuff (comments, other informations)
>   > > 
>   > > As an editor (most of the time in librarian, you double-click 
on 
>   an 
>   > element to edit it and an editor window opens) / 
>   > > - change parameters (voices, effects...)
>   > > sometimes modules can accept realtime sysex, so when you're 
>   > tweaking the patch on your computer, you're sending realtime 
>   sysex, 
>   > and so editing the sound directly in the buffer of the module.
>   > > but for old synths, or simpler modules, you can't edit in 
>   realtime, 
>   > so you have to request a dump / edit / send the data, and then 
you 
>   > can hear the difference. I guess that the DTXpress systems are 
>   > working with this second option.
>   > > 
>   > > For examples, you can see some screenshots of a synth 
>   > editor/librarian here : 
http://www.soundtower.com/synth/triton.htm
>   > > You can also download and try the demo version of Midiquest, 
a 
>   > multi synth editor librarian  : 
>   > http://www.squest.com/Windows/MidiQuest-About.html
>   > > 
>   > > Finally, once again, as you're planning to developp under 
Java, 
>   I 
>   > would recommend to have a look at Jsynthlib, an Open Source 
>   Universal 
>   > Synthesizer Patch Editor / Librarian written in the Java 
>   Language. : 
>   > http://www.overwhelmed.org/jsynthlib/ 
>   > > 
>   > > Maybe you can add support of the DTXpress into Jsynthlib, or 
at 
>   > least grab some code parts if you want to start from scratch...
>   > > 
>   > > (another idea : I would maybe nice to have a tool for 
>   translating a 
>   > midifile into DTXpress language and then send it with sysex as 
a 
>   > song... maybe a little bit out of the project)
>   > > 
>   > > Hope this can help
>   > > 
>   > > Regards, 
>   > > 
>   > > Benoit
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > >   From: jjcorley0000 
>   > >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   > >   Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 8:43 AM
>   > >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Sysex Bulk Dump Data
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > >       I noticed that the Sysex formats have been posted in 
the 
>   > files 
>   > >   section.  I read them over and they don't look terribly 
>   > complicated.  
>   > >   Using the javax.sound.midi package it should be fairly 
>   > >   straightforward to build an application to manage this 
>   > information.  
>   > >   Note that this will still have to wait until the DTXIIISP 
>   arrives 
>   > and 
>   > >   allocate a weekend or two to the task.
>   > > 
>   > >       What would people like to see in this application?
>   > > 
>   > >       A few ideas I had:
>   > >       - XML (text based) format export/import so that people 
can 
>   > hand 
>   > >   modify files or write other utilities to muck with them.
>   > >       - A "my kits/songs/etc" so that you could create a 
really 
>   > large 
>   > >   (limited only by disk space) db of these items and then 
pick 
>   and 
>   > >   choose them for a certain "load".  + List of Favorite loads.
>   > >       - The ability to multi-select items (ex: kits) and 
modify 
>   > params 
>   > >   for all selected items in one action (ex: volume).  Should 
be 
>   > able to 
>   > >   do this absolute (ex: set to 70) or relative (ex: +10).
>   > >       - Copy & Swap things from one kit to another.
>   > > 
>   > >       Hmmm, me thinks I'm talking myself into more than a 
>   weekend 
>   > or 
>   > >   two of work...
>   > > 
>   > >   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jjcorley0000" <jjc@s...> 
>   wrote:
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >     Can you post the information to the website or the 
files 
>   > area 
>   > >   > here?
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >     While I reluctantly admit that I have the 
>   skills/experience 
>   > to 
>   > >   > handle such a task (Java/C++, GUI, embedded software, 
>   mucking 
>   > with 
>   > >   > bits in files):
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >     a)  I'm waiting on the IIISP, so I don't yet have a 
>   system 
>   > for 
>   > >   > testing.
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >     b)  I'm not sure how much time I can really dedicate 
to 
>   > such a 
>   > >   > task.
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >     That said, I'd like to see the data formats so I can 
get 
>   an 
>   > >   idea 
>   > >   > of the level of effort.  If I were to put something 
>   together, 
>   > I'd 
>   > >   > likely do it in Java so our non-MS friends wouldn't be 
SOL.
>   > >   > 
>   > >   > 
>   > >   > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" 
>   <rdamon@m...> 
>   > >   wrote:
>   > >   > > Ok, I now have the Sysex Bulk Dump Data from Yamaha for 
>   the 
>   > >   > > DTxpressII and DtxpressIII. Let's see if we can 
coordinate 
>   > who 
>   > >   > wants 
>   > >   > > to tackle what, in generating a program for seting 
>   > up/changing
> 
> 
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