Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I'm checking out this kit on eBay.  It only has a day and a half to 
go, but I just found it.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=308&item=3748729052&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Could someone advise if this is this the same as a DTXPressII?  If 
not, what would the differences be?   

If it is the same as a II, I will bid on it;  if it is not as good, 
especially if it has different pads, I wouldn't be comfortable 
bidding. 

Thanks,
TomBk

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tombrook11232@y...> wrote:

> Could someone advise if this is this the same as a DTXPressII?  If 
> not, what would the differences be?   

Tom,

This looks like a Dtxpress I not a II.

OGD

----Tom: is this the same as a DTXPressII?  (on eBay)

--- OGD: This looks like a Dtxpress I not a II.
========

Ya, I thought it seemed a little different.   I wonder what the 
differences are, especially if 1. the pads are different.   I liked 
the feel of the II pads.   

and 2. If the module is different and what it lacks compared to the 
II.  I don't know anything about past models as I only started 
shopping for eDrums about a month ago. 

TomBk

Tom,

I'm just getting into drums and this discussion group.  I purchased my Xpress II from a
guy in Michigan (he actually drove the set down to my home in Kansas and set the thing
up...he was visiting his mother-in-law).  Anyway, this does not look like the X-II
brain and I think the guy is being honest in saying this set has been sitting around
collecting dust because it looks kind of raunchy.  The price, so far, is not bad, but
I'm leary of going back more than one generation with novel technologies like eDrums; I
especially distrust the first generation of this stuff.

Anyway, I'm just kind of getting in the mix.  I'm a novice in this arena, but that X-II
is big fun - except for the High Hat set-up.  Does anyone know if the stand-up High Hat
I see in the X-III pictures will work with the X-II brain.  How much does it cost?

Cheers,

greg




--- Tom <tombrook11232@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
----Tom: is this the same as a DTXPressII?  (on eBay)

--- OGD: This looks like a Dtxpress I not a II.
========

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Bryant <gregbryant@s...> 
wrote:

Hi Greg,

Welcome to the group.

> I'm leary of going back more than one generation with novel 
technologies like eDrums; I
> especially distrust the first generation of this stuff.

The DTXpressI module isn't worlds apart from its successors, though I 
don't believe that it's the best investment these days, unless funds 
are extremely short, and it's available for $130 or less. It may, 
however, be a very good second module for those attempting to expand 
their kits. In general, advances in e-drum electronics have not been 
earth-shattering. The technology is pretty standard. The Roland TD-
20, Yamaha DTXtremeIIS, and the venerable ddrum modules represent the 
high end, but not even they are radical departures from previous 
designs (arguably, the ddrum, though ten years old, is the most 
distinctive, but it's features are outdated by any standards). 
Compared to the state of the art in pure computing, or their synth 
cousins, drum modules might even be considered slighty backward. 
 
> Anyway, I'm just kind of getting in the mix.  I'm a novice in this 
arena, but that X-II
> is big fun - except for the High Hat set-up.  Does anyone know if 
the stand-up High Hat
> I see in the X-III pictures will work with the X-II brain.  How 
much does it cost?

The hi hat on a stick that comes standard with the XIII will work 
with the II. Check Drumbalaya.com for the price.

Ed

Hey Ed,

Many Thanks for your feedback!  It's good to know that I won't be oboleted any time
soon.  I heard so much about the new Roland module (I think it's the 6) being a quantum
leap that I resisted my eDrum purchase for several months.

Cheers,

greg
 
--- emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Bryant <gregbryant@s...> 
wrote:

Hi Greg,

Welcome to the group.

> I'm leary of going back more than one generation with novel 
technologies like eDrums; I
> especially distrust the first generation of this stuff.

The DTXpressI module isn't worlds apart from its successors, though I 
don't believe that it's the best investment these days, unless funds 
are extremely short, and it's available for $130 or less. It may, 
however, be a very good second module for those attempting to expand 
their kits. In general, advances in e-drum electronics have not been 
earth-shattering. The technology is pretty standard. The Roland TD-
20, Yamaha DTXtremeIIS, and the venerable ddrum modules represent the 
high end, but not even they are radical departures from previous 
designs (arguably, the ddrum, though ten years old, is the most 
distinctive, but it's features are outdated by any standards). 
Compared to the state of the art in pure computing, or their synth 
cousins, drum modules might even be considered slighty backward. 
 
> Anyway, I'm just kind of getting in the mix.  I'm a novice in this 
arena, but that X-II
> is big fun - except for the High Hat set-up.  Does anyone know if 
the stand-up High Hat
> I see in the X-III pictures will work with the X-II brain.  How 
much does it cost?

The hi hat on a stick that comes standard with the XIII will work 
with the II. Check Drumbalaya.com for the price.

Ed



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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Bryant <gregbryant@s...> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> Welcome to the group.
> 
> > I'm leary of going back more than one generation with novel 
> technologies like eDrums; I
> > especially distrust the first generation of this stuff.
> 
> The DTXpressI module isn't worlds apart from its successors, 
though I 
> don't believe that it's the best investment these days, unless 
funds 
> are extremely short, and it's available for $130 or less. It may, 
> however, be a very good second module for those attempting to 
expand 
> their kits. In general, advances in e-drum electronics have not 
been 
> earth-shattering. The technology is pretty standard. The Roland TD-
> 20, Yamaha DTXtremeIIS, and the venerable ddrum modules represent 
the 
> high end, but not even they are radical departures from previous 
> designs (arguably, the ddrum, though ten years old, is the most 
> distinctive, but it's features are outdated by any standards). 
> Compared to the state of the art in pure computing, or their synth 
> cousins, drum modules might even be considered slighty backward. 
>  
> > Anyway, I'm just kind of getting in the mix.  I'm a novice in 
this 
> arena, but that X-II
> > is big fun - except for the High Hat set-up.  Does anyone know 
if 
> the stand-up High Hat
> > I see in the X-III pictures will work with the X-II brain.  How 
> much does it cost?
> 
> The hi hat on a stick that comes standard with the XIII will work 
> with the II. Check Drumbalaya.com for the price.
> 
> Ed

And, best of all, we just got a bunch of RHH130's IN STOCK!  We had 
an order waiting since FEBRUARY for these!!  They seem to work fine 
with all DTXPRESS units as far as we can tell.

(FYI, the TP120SD works great with the DTXPRESSIII in 3-zone mode.  
It's a GREAT upgrade for the snare...  Yes, we finally have those 
too!  I better stop before I get accused of sp*mming, but it's 
exciting to finally see this stuff show up...  :-)

Cheers,

Ed

Thanks Ed.
 
They should start flowing a little better now. I understand that the folks
for Yamaha Japan will be coming to the US, and delivery will be one of the
issues of discussion. There are setup instructions for using the RHH130 with
all the Yamaha modules, in the box. The new TP's and PCY's also work fine
with the Dtxpress II modules, as well. Just don't forget the TP120s will
need a separate snare stand, as it does not have an internal clamp. 
 
OGD


 " And, best of all, we just got a bunch of RHH130's IN STOCK!  We had 
an order waiting since FEBRUARY for these!!  They seem to work fine 
with all DTXPRESS units as far as we can tell.

(FYI, the TP120SD works great with the DTXPRESSIII in 3-zone mode.  
It's a GREAT upgrade for the snare...  Yes, we finally have those 
too!  I better stop before I get accused of sp*mming, but it's 
exciting to finally see this stuff show up...  :-)

Cheers,

Ed " 


 
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> (FYI, the TP120SD works great with the DTXPRESSIII in 3-zone mode.  
> It's a GREAT upgrade for the snare...  Yes, we finally have those 
> too!  I better stop before I get accused of sp*mming, but it's 
> exciting to finally see this stuff show up...  :-)
> 
Do you know if the TP120SD works with the DTXPRESSII (mine has a 3-
zone snare at present)
______________________________________________________________________

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wzk283" <mark_davies@n...> wrote:
> 
> > (FYI, the TP120SD works great with the DTXPRESSIII in 3-zone 
mode.  
> > It's a GREAT upgrade for the snare...  Yes, we finally have those 
> > too!  I better stop before I get accused of sp*mming, but it's 
> > exciting to finally see this stuff show up...  :-)
> > 
> Do you know if the TP120SD works with the DTXPRESSII (mine has a 3-
> zone snare at present)
> _______________

I have a TP120SD that I use with a DTXpress II and it works well.  
I'm able to use all 3 zones.  The only thing that you might need to 
be alert to is that if the red adjustment knob (which doesn't serve a 
function I know of with the DTXpress II) somehow winds up in between 
the "indents" it can throw the triggering off - i.e., the rim and pad 
trigger the same (no unique rim sound).  The red knob on the first 
TP120SD I had would vibrate in between "indents" too easily; however, 
Yamaha quickly and graciously replaced it (through Guitar Center).  
Just make sure the red knob is seating properly.  Other than this 
issue, it's a terrific pad - very responsive and better than other 
pads (e.g., Pintech, Alessis/Hart, Roland)and supplemental surface 
triggers I've tried for snare.

_______________________________________________________

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wzk283" <mark_davies@n...> wrote:
 
> Do you know if the TP120SD works with the DTXPRESSII (mine has a 3-
> zone snare at present)

All of the new pads "work" with the Dtxpress II. You will get two rim 
and one pad sounds, but the little red knob will only work on inputs 
1-5 of the Dtxtreme IIS module.

Setup for triggers types:

TP120S = TP65-1
TP100  = TP65-1
PCY150 = PCY150
PCY130S = PCY65
PCy130 = PCY65
RHH130 = RHH


OGD

So, being into minimizing waste and easily lured into buying groovy
new stuff by you bad influence types.... ;-)

I am now lusting after the TP120S and believe I can keep the existing snare
pad in a fully functional configuration.

 From the documentation available, it seems I can move a tom pad to input
9/10, the PC130S to the ex-tom jack, and the TP65S to the ex-cymbal jack.
The single, dual and triple outputs of the pads in question will still 
be on inputs
that support their full function while opening up the snare input for 
the TP120S.
That or just put the TP120S into the newly open cymbal input...plus the 
whole
theory rides on 2,6,7 being interchangeable on the programming side.

Now all I need to find is a timbale mapping that supports rim shots one 
one edge
and cascara on the other.  I can't see one in either of the two manuals, 
is there no
such sound in the DTX3 ?

Charlie

rdamon@... wrote:

>Thanks Ed.
> 
>They should start flowing a little better now. I understand that the
>folks for Yamaha Japan will be coming to the US, and delivery will be
>one of the issues of discussion. There are setup instructions for using
>the RHH130 with all the Yamaha modules, in the box. The new TP's and
>PCY's also work fine with the Dtxpress II modules, as well. Just don't
>forget the TP120s will need a separate snare stand, as it does not have
>an internal clamp. 
> 
>OGD
>
>
> " And, best of all, we just got a bunch of RHH130's IN STOCK!  We had 
>an order waiting since FEBRUARY for these!!  They seem to work fine 
>with all DTXPRESS units as far as we can tell.
>
>(FYI, the TP120SD works great with the DTXPRESSIII in 3-zone mode.  
>It's a GREAT upgrade for the snare...  Yes, we finally have those 
>too!  I better stop before I get accused of sp*mming, but it's 
>exciting to finally see this stuff show up...  :-)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Ed
>

Charles,
 
The TP120S and TP65S must be plugged into inputs 2, 6 or 7 to use all three
zones.
 
The PCY130s can work on inputs 1-8, which means you can use it for your
hihat pad as well, though you may need some more felt washers to tighten
down to minimize movement.
 
Moving the TP65 tom to input 9 or 10 is also fine.
 
It think you are going to love the TP120S!
 
Good Luck.
 
OGD
 

 " From: Charles Baer Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:48 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [DTXpress] Adding TP120S to DTX3SP while keeping TP65S



From the documentation available, it seems I can move a tom pad to input
9/10, the PC130S to the ex-tom jack, and the TP65S to the ex-cymbal jack.
The single, dual and triple outputs of the pads in question will still 
be on inputs
that support their full function while opening up the snare input for 
the TP120S.
That or just put the TP120S into the newly open cymbal input...plus the 
whole
theory rides on 2,6,7 being interchangeable on the programming side.

Now all I need to find is a timbale mapping that supports rim shots one 
one edge
and cascara on the other.  I can't see one in either of the two manuals, 
is there no
such sound in the DTX3 ?

Charlie " 


 
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I suffer from your same ailment it seems.  I got my TP120 from 
Drumbalaya along with a 12 inch snare stand and incorporated it into 
a DTXIIISP.  I love it.  The feel of the pad is great and it made the 
set a whole lot more comfortable for me to play.  One of the problems 
I had when I first got my set was that I just couldn't find a good 
arrangement with double base pedals where I wasn't banging my leg on 
the snare support tube.  Now I just pushed the tube out of the way 
and put the 120 on the stand.  IMHO it's the way the Special should 
come out of the factory.  If you're going to have a "real" hi-hat 
stand and function, why not do the same with the snare?  Anyway, it 
works out great.


After I added the 120, I was left with the extra 65s which I 
incorporated into the set as a 4th tom.  First I put the 120 on input 
2 and moved the extra 65s to input 7 and programmed it as my 4th tom. 
Then I rearranged the rest of the pads.  This is what it looks like:

Input    Pad      Sound
1        KP65     Bass
2        TP120S   Snare
3        TP65     Tom 1
4        TP65     Tom 2
5        PCY130s  Crash 1
6        PCY150s  Ride
7        TP65s    Tom 4
8        RHH130   HiHat
9        PCY130   Crash 2
10       TP65     Tom 3

I found this arrangement gives me the best maximization of inputs for 
the Special.  The only catch is that you will have to program all 
your kits as user kits to make them compatible with the new 
arrangement as I haven't found a way the reprogram the pad/sound 
relationships to make the standard kits work.  Anyway, with this 
arrangment I get 6 sounds out of my "front" pads which is great if 
you are trying to simulate timbales.  

The only problem is that apparently Yamaha doesn't take latin sound 
sampling very seriously.  All the latin sounds in their module really 
suck.  Obviously they don't have anybody in their staff that is a 
latin percussion connoiseur.   The closest thing you'll find to a 
cascara is one of the jamblock/tick sounds and in terms of a rim shot 
you are SOL.  I tried tunning the timbale sound up and down and all I 
got was cartoonish sounds out of it.  In other words, just don't get 
rid of your acoustic Latin percussion instruments yet.

By the way, I have to give kudos to Ed at Drumbalaya since he was 
very helpful and very patient answering my questions when I was 
getting ready to "upgrade" my setup.  And that was even before I new 
about this group, so he wasn't under any pressure to help.  Thanks Ed.

Hope that helps,

Jaime

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Charles Baer <charlie@i...> wrote:
> So, being into minimizing waste and easily lured into buying groovy
> new stuff by you bad influence types.... ;-)
> 
> I am now lusting after the TP120S and believe I can keep the 
existing snare
> pad in a fully functional configuration.
> 
>  From the documentation available, it seems I can move a tom pad to 
input
> 9/10, the PC130S to the ex-tom jack, and the TP65S to the ex-cymbal 
jack.
> The single, dual and triple outputs of the pads in question will 
still 
> be on inputs
> that support their full function while opening up the snare input 
for 
> the TP120S.
> That or just put the TP120S into the newly open cymbal input...plus 
the 
> whole
> theory rides on 2,6,7 being interchangeable on the programming side.
> 
> Now all I need to find is a timbale mapping that supports rim shots 
one 
> one edge
> and cascara on the other.  I can't see one in either of the two 
manuals, 
> is there no
> such sound in the DTX3 ?
> 
> Charlie
> 
> rdamon@m... wrote:
> 
> >Thanks Ed.
> > 
> >They should start flowing a little better now. I understand that 
the
> >folks for Yamaha Japan will be coming to the US, and delivery will 
be
> >one of the issues of discussion. There are setup instructions for 
using
> >the RHH130 with all the Yamaha modules, in the box. The new TP's 
and
> >PCY's also work fine with the Dtxpress II modules, as well. Just 
don't
> >forget the TP120s will need a separate snare stand, as it does not 
have
> >an internal clamp. 
> > 
> >OGD
> >
> >
> > " And, best of all, we just got a bunch of RHH130's IN STOCK!  We 
had 
> >an order waiting since FEBRUARY for these!!  They seem to work 
fine 
> >with all DTXPRESS units as far as we can tell.
> >
> >(FYI, the TP120SD works great with the DTXPRESSIII in 3-zone 
mode.  

> >It's a GREAT upgrade for the snare...  Yes, we finally have those 
> >too!  I better stop before I get accused of sp*mming, but it's 
> >exciting to finally see this stuff show up...  :-)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Ed
> >

That's exceptionally helpful!

I've been considering getting a DM Pro module even now that I have the
3SP, then drive it off the MIDI port.  Any excuse to BUY MORE GEAR!
(and more inputs)

Thanks,

Charlie

uac235 wrote:

>I suffer from your same ailment it seems.  I got my TP120 from 
>Drumbalaya along with a 12 inch snare stand and incorporated it into 
>a DTXIIISP.  I love it.  The feel of the pad is great and it made the 
>set a whole lot more comfortable for me to play.  One of the problems 
>I had when I first got my set was that I just couldn't find a good 
>arrangement with double base pedals where I wasn't banging my leg on 
>the snare support tube.  Now I just pushed the tube out of the way 
>and put the 120 on the stand.  IMHO it's the way the Special should 
>come out of the factory.  If you're going to have a "real" hi-hat 
>stand and function, why not do the same with the snare?  Anyway, it 
>works out great.
>
>
>After I added the 120, I was left with the extra 65s which I 
>incorporated into the set as a 4th tom.  First I put the 120 on input 
>2 and moved the extra 65s to input 7 and programmed it as my 4th tom. 
>Then I rearranged the rest of the pads.  This is what it looks like:
>
>Input    Pad      Sound
>1        KP65     Bass
>2        TP120S   Snare
>3        TP65     Tom 1
>4        TP65     Tom 2
>5        PCY130s  Crash 1
>6        PCY150s  Ride
>7        TP65s    Tom 4
>8        RHH130   HiHat
>9        PCY130   Crash 2
>10       TP65     Tom 3
>
>I found this arrangement gives me the best maximization of inputs for 
>the Special.  The only catch is that you will have to program all 
>your kits as user kits to make them compatible with the new 
>arrangement as I haven't found a way the reprogram the pad/sound 
>relationships to make the standard kits work.  Anyway, with this 
>arrangment I get 6 sounds out of my "front" pads which is great if 
>you are trying to simulate timbales.  
>
>The only problem is that apparently Yamaha doesn't take latin sound 
>sampling very seriously.  All the latin sounds in their module really 
>suck.  Obviously they don't have anybody in their staff that is a 
>latin percussion connoiseur.   The closest thing you'll find to a 
>cascara is one of the jamblock/tick sounds and in terms of a rim shot 
>you are SOL.  I tried tunning the timbale sound up and down and all I 
>got was cartoonish sounds out of it.  In other words, just don't get 
>rid of your acoustic Latin percussion instruments yet.
>
>By the way, I have to give kudos to Ed at Drumbalaya since he was 
>very helpful and very patient answering my questions when I was 
>getting ready to "upgrade" my setup.  And that was even before I new 
>about this group, so he wasn't under any pressure to help.  Thanks Ed.
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>Jaime
>

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "uac235" <jvillamil@n...> wrote:

[snip]

> By the way, I have to give kudos to Ed at Drumbalaya since he was 
> very helpful and very patient answering my questions when I was 
> getting ready to "upgrade" my setup.  And that was even before I 
new 
> about this group, so he wasn't under any pressure to help.  Thanks 
Ed.
> 

:-)

Ed