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Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-10 by zapaxe

Hi,

I'm expanding my DTXpress rack system. This is getting VERY 
interesting and reminds me of playing with an erector set. The 
possibilities seem endless...If ONLY I had MORE rack parts "he,he"...

I just bought a 2nd DTXpress rack (used) to accomodate all my extra 
pads & modules. I've already merged the two racks together with most 
of the rack parts... Very cool too! I now have a full extention with 
3rd base/leg which is rock stable for my 3 modules to sit on :)

In addition to my extention onto the left side of my rack - which is 
similar to an older DTXtreme rack now (I think?) - with it's 3 
base/legs, and a 2nd teir extention to the right...

...I thought about extending the center section of the rack in 
an 'upward' fasion. Actually I did 'somewhat' already by adding 
the 'T' fitting on top of each left & right tall post/tubes. I set 
the 'T' fitting half way on each side and used more taller tubes, 
then placed another log tube at the top in the horizontal position.

After my 'upward' extention, I got to thinking...Hmmm...maybe this 
is not the most stable, though it seems fairly stable...
...Being electrician for a living, I'm think that 1 1/2" 
EMT 'thinwall' conduit/tubing has the same outside diameter as the 
DTXpress rack. Though EMT conduit is steel not aluminum.

So!...I was thinking that 'instead' of having a hodge-podge of end 
to end DTXpress tubes held together with my 'T' fittings used as 
couplings, I could use TWO  vey long/tall tubes of EMT electrical 
conduit in it's place.

I tried looking around at Home Depot for some long pieces of 
Aluminum tubing but didn't find any.
Any idea on WHERE I can find very long pieces of aluminum of the 
same diameter?

Of course I'd paint the tube black :)

Steve

Re: Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-11 by vap19592000

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm expanding my DTXpress rack system. This is getting VERY 
> interesting and reminds me of playing with an erector set. The 
> possibilities seem endless...If ONLY I had MORE rack 
parts "he,he"...
> 
> I just bought a 2nd DTXpress rack (used) to accomodate all my extra 
> pads & modules. I've already merged the two racks together with 
most 
> of the rack parts... Very cool too! I now have a full extention 
with 
> 3rd base/leg which is rock stable for my 3 modules to sit on :)
> 
> In addition to my extention onto the left side of my rack - which 
is 
> similar to an older DTXtreme rack now (I think?) - with it's 3 
> base/legs, and a 2nd teir extention to the right...
> 
> ...I thought about extending the center section of the rack in 
> an 'upward' fasion. Actually I did 'somewhat' already by adding 
> the 'T' fitting on top of each left & right tall post/tubes. I set 
> the 'T' fitting half way on each side and used more taller tubes, 
> then placed another log tube at the top in the horizontal position.
> 
> After my 'upward' extention, I got to thinking...Hmmm...maybe this 
> is not the most stable, though it seems fairly stable...
> ...Being electrician for a living, I'm think that 1 1/2" 
> EMT 'thinwall' conduit/tubing has the same outside diameter as the 
> DTXpress rack. Though EMT conduit is steel not aluminum.
> 
> So!...I was thinking that 'instead' of having a hodge-podge of end 
> to end DTXpress tubes held together with my 'T' fittings used as 
> couplings, I could use TWO  vey long/tall tubes of EMT electrical 
> conduit in it's place.
> 
> I tried looking around at Home Depot for some long pieces of 
> Aluminum tubing but didn't find any.
> Any idea on WHERE I can find very long pieces of aluminum of the 
> same diameter?
> 
> Of course I'd paint the tube black :)
> 
> Steve

Hi Steve..

Would love to see a picture of what you are doing with your rack.
I did a similar upgrade myself, by merging my existing rack with a 
gibraltar rack.
When I ran out of tubing, here is what I did. I found out that 
the "Torchiere" FLOOR STANDING LIGHTS (hope I have spelt it right), 
has 3 pieces of tubing twisted together to make one long piece, makes 
an ideal substitute for the rack tubing. It is made of steel, sturdy 
and just about the same diameter as the rack tubing. It is also 
LIGHT. The LAMP I am talking about has a heavy round base in the 
bottom and a dish bowl type shade on the top with HALOGEN type bulb. 
It has a on-off rotational switch in the middle piece of the tube. 
The lamp is made in China and most probably sold in home 
depot/orchard supply...but why pay for a brand new one??? I found 
heaps of them at the local SALVATION ARMY of THRIFT used store 
outlets, or any place where they sell USED stuff. I paid $5.00 for a 
good working one, and in great condition. The tubing was also BLACK. 
Took it home and "gutted" all the unecessary stuff by cutting the 
wires and unscrewing the three metal pieces. The final 
product...about 6 feet of steel tubing. NOTE though, not ALL the 
floor standing lamps are simialr as to the one I have described 
above. Some have different types of stands....but when you spot one, 
you'll know thats the one....

GOOD LUCK!!
VAP.

Re: Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-11 by zapaxe

Hi Vap,

Huh, I 'thought' you were about to go into some sort of lighted drum 
rack Hybrid for a moment! :o ...We could even install a dimmer 
switch 'lol'...
Yeah, I was thinking about what 'other' things have as far as tubing 
go's...Even my computer desk, bought at Office Max has the exact 
size tubing used for it's base to table top legs. I figure I have to 
be able to find this stuff available somewhere!
When I'm done I'll see about taking a picture of it! I think it 
would be interesting to see what OTHERS have done with their racks 
and what creative ways can be configured. I really hadn't thought 
too much about getting ceative beyond a simple 'To-The-Side-Add-On' 
extention untill I did my side extention and then had extra parts to 
then play with.
At first I was dumbfounded on what to do...I stared at it over a 
beer or two, then with a proper buzz, I started getting 
creative 'he,he'.
To describe what I've done so far...To the left of my existing DTX 
rack, I've added a 3rd base, the 90 degree leg as on both sides of a 
standard DTX rack. I then added a long tube horrizontally(as in a 
cross tube middle section of a DTX rack)to connect this 3rd leg 
section to my 'tall' left virtical tube. This cross-extention now 
has a completely stable tube to mount my multiple modules on. This 
looks great and in addition to being stable, it's very functionable! 
As you know, when you install just ONE module in the NORMAL fasion, 
your rack starts a rockin' when you get rockin' - Try TWO modules! 
You've seen 'The Flinstones' when Fred get's a side of brontasouras 
ribs put on his car, tipping it over? :o

Ok, for my extention in "The Upward" fasion...What I've done is 
simply use my extra 'T' fittings as couplings to extend the Left & 
Right virtical tubes with my spare long tubes by about 2 ft or so. 
Then 'instead of the long tube with the "Yamaha" lable at the lower 
section as a 2nd cross section as shown typically on a DTX rack, I 
used this longer "Yamaha" lables tube at the 'Top' of my "Upward" 
extention. Looks VERY cool too! Besides looking very spiffy 
esthetically, I can then mount more semi-long extention tubes 
horrizontally on either side of my higher placed virtical tubes to 
mount more various cymbal & drum pads etc...

As said, I'd MUCH rather have the original, virtical sections of my 
DTXpress rack as one LONG tube on EACH side, rather than have 
to 'coupling' them together with the standard Yamaha 'T' fittings 
for much better stability. I'd imagine that with much use, the 
vibration of playing may loosen the coupled extentions, ESPECIALLY 
if I then mount various extra extentions arms and pads to them!
As it is the center section of my rack with it's two virtical 
extentions stands about 4 ft tall, but I'd like it to be a little 
higher when I can use longer/taller/single one-piece virtical tubes.

Actually, I think I was wrong about the 1 1/2" EMT electrical 
thinwall tubing being the same size...I quickly checked a while back 
out of curiosity, and I 'think' it's actually 1 1/4" EMT thinwall 
electrical tubing/conduit that's the same outside diameter...Or VERY 
close at least! I remember actually trying a Yamaha 'T' fitting on 
it at one time. Electrical EMT conduit however is not as 'smooth' as 
the aluminum tubing as it's slightly galvanized and may need to be 
smoothed out with a fine sand paper before painting it 
black....Speaking of paint and racks, I really DO NOT like the look 
of the DTX III rack systems with the silver color and the ribbed 
tubing. Though I guess the ribs add to the tightness of the fittings.

I always thought that the DTXpress kits with it's simple & small 
rack looked kind of basic and "toyish". With my extentions I've 
install so far, the set looks MUCH more pro-like.

Anyway, all this rack extending is my NEW passion or should I 
say 'obsession'...I don't know why I didn't do this a long time ago!

If anyone else has ideas and/or pictures of getting creative with 
their glorious racks speak up! :)

Steve



Hi Steve..
> 
> Would love to see a picture of what you are doing with your rack.
> I did a similar upgrade myself, by merging my existing rack with a 
> gibraltar rack.
> When I ran out of tubing, here is what I did. I found out that 
> the "Torchiere" FLOOR STANDING LIGHTS (hope I have spelt it 
right), 
> has 3 pieces of tubing twisted together to make one long piece, 
makes 
> an ideal substitute for the rack tubing. It is made of steel, 
sturdy 
> and just about the same diameter as the rack tubing. It is also 
> LIGHT. The LAMP I am talking about has a heavy round base in the 
> bottom and a dish bowl type shade on the top with HALOGEN type 
bulb. 
> It has a on-off rotational switch in the middle piece of the tube. 
> The lamp is made in China and most probably sold in home 
> depot/orchard supply...but why pay for a brand new one??? I found 
> heaps of them at the local SALVATION ARMY of THRIFT used store 
> outlets, or any place where they sell USED stuff. I paid $5.00 for 
a 
> good working one, and in great condition. The tubing was also 
BLACK. 
> Took it home and "gutted" all the unecessary stuff by cutting the 
> wires and unscrewing the three metal pieces. The final 
> product...about 6 feet of steel tubing. NOTE though, not ALL the 
> floor standing lamps are simialr as to the one I have described 
> above. Some have different types of stands....but when you spot 
one, 
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> you'll know thats the one....
> 
> GOOD LUCK!!
> VAP.

Re: Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-14 by zapaxe

Hi and thanks,

I've been checking ebay for a long time for deals on used DTXpress 
components etc...That's where I bought my 2nd Yamaha DTXpress rack 
used from.
I've also looked many times at Drumbalya, but I've not noticed any 
VERY long tubes for racks. What I was proposing to do is have two 
very log rack tubes (longer than ANY DTXpress rack tube I've seen, 
so I can have a tall center section rack without having to have to 
use some sort of couplers as I'm doing now. I can actually see the 
tube slightly lean at the coupling joint. When I add a load to this 
weightwise, it'll be worse:(
I'll have another look at Drumbalya to see if I've missed something 
other than the 'standard' tube lenths.

If not, I'm wondering who carries aluminum tubing in extremely long 
lenths? Not Home Depot, Nlot Lowes, Not Orchard Supply Hardware...I 
guess a specialty metal shop oof sorts. But as I said, I beive that 
electrical EMT tubing/conduit is about the same outside diameter. If 
nothing else, I'll give that a go! Don't know how much aluminim 
tubing would cost in it's raw state...?

Steve





--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "tboginski" <tboginski@y...> wrote:
> 
> Drumbalya sells the yamaha tubing in almost any length you would 
need 
> (clamps too)..also check ebay, i see that stuff on there all the 
time.

Re: Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-14 by moosetication

--- zapaxe wrote:
> What I was proposing to do is ... have a tall
> center section rack without having to have to 
> use some sort of couplers as I'm doing now. I
>  can actually see the tube slightly lean at
> the coupling joint.

Why not reinforce the joint INSIDE the rack tube? Use something 
that's a tight fit, like a length of large wooden dowel.

Remember that Roland and Gibraltar racks are the same 1.5" section, 
and the tubes and clamps are interchangable.

Stewart

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-14 by Charles Baer

I usually am looking for turbo plumbing here, a pretty good selection of 
metal tube:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/index.php

Charlie

zapaxe wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>Hi and thanks,
>
>I've been checking ebay for a long time for deals on used DTXpress 
>components etc...That's where I bought my 2nd Yamaha DTXpress rack 
>used from.
>I've also looked many times at Drumbalya, but I've not noticed any 
>VERY long tubes for racks. What I was proposing to do is have two 
>very log rack tubes (longer than ANY DTXpress rack tube I've seen, 
>so I can have a tall center section rack without having to have to 
>use some sort of couplers as I'm doing now. I can actually see the 
>tube slightly lean at the coupling joint. When I add a load to this 
>weightwise, it'll be worse:(
>I'll have another look at Drumbalya to see if I've missed something 
>other than the 'standard' tube lenths.
>
>If not, I'm wondering who carries aluminum tubing in extremely long 
>lenths? Not Home Depot, Nlot Lowes, Not Orchard Supply Hardware...I 
>guess a specialty metal shop oof sorts. But as I said, I beive that 
>electrical EMT tubing/conduit is about the same outside diameter. If 
>nothing else, I'll give that a go! Don't know how much aluminim 
>tubing would cost in it's raw state...?
>
>Steve
>
>  
>

Re: Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-15 by zapaxe

Thanks Charlie,

Quickly looked through the Aluminum tubing and they have 'plenty' of 
aluminum tubing to choose from!

Steve



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Charles Baer <charlie@i...> wrote:
> I usually am looking for turbo plumbing here, a pretty good 
selection of 
> metal tube:
> 
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/index.php
> 
> Charlie
> 
> zapaxe wrote:
> 
> >Hi and thanks,
> >
> >I've been checking ebay for a long time for deals on used 
DTXpress 
> >components etc...That's where I bought my 2nd Yamaha DTXpress 
rack 
> >used from.
> >I've also looked many times at Drumbalya, but I've not noticed 
any 
> >VERY long tubes for racks. What I was proposing to do is have two 
> >very log rack tubes (longer than ANY DTXpress rack tube I've 
seen, 
> >so I can have a tall center section rack without having to have 
to 
> >use some sort of couplers as I'm doing now. I can actually see 
the 
> >tube slightly lean at the coupling joint. When I add a load to 
this 
> >weightwise, it'll be worse:(
> >I'll have another look at Drumbalya to see if I've missed 
something 
> >other than the 'standard' tube lenths.
> >
> >If not, I'm wondering who carries aluminum tubing in extremely 
long 
> >lenths? Not Home Depot, Nlot Lowes, Not Orchard Supply 
Hardware...I 
> >guess a specialty metal shop oof sorts. But as I said, I beive 
that 
> >electrical EMT tubing/conduit is about the same outside diameter. 
If 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> >nothing else, I'll give that a go! Don't know how much aluminim 
> >tubing would cost in it's raw state...?
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >  
> >

Re: Expanding My Rack System...Extra Long Tubing Available?

2005-01-15 by zapaxe

That's a pretty good idea to reinforce from the tube from the 
inside. I 'thought' I heard before that 1.5" is a standard.

Now that OGD posted a link - 
http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_3071/productname_Ultimat
e-Support-12068-Standard-Tubing-Black,-1-1/2 - where I can get 
a 'Generic' tube (1.5") in lenths from 1 ft, up to 12 ft and they 
are already painted black to boot, I think I'll look into 
the 'single' long lenth option. 
My rack is gonna' be rockin'...err..hopefully NOT rockin' that is :)

Steve


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- zapaxe wrote:
> > What I was proposing to do is ... have a tall
> > center section rack without having to have to 
> > use some sort of couplers as I'm doing now. I
> >  can actually see the tube slightly lean at
> > the coupling joint.
> 
> Why not reinforce the joint INSIDE the rack tube? Use something 
> that's a tight fit, like a length of large wooden dowel.
> 
> Remember that Roland and Gibraltar racks are the same 1.5" 
section, 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> and the tubes and clamps are interchangable.
> 
> Stewart

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