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Help pls! basic DTXpress & computer questions

Help pls! basic DTXpress & computer questions

2005-05-11 by vantre1

Hi folks,

I know very little about electronic drums but would like to integrate 
something like the dtxpress into a pc recording set-up (cubase). These 
are the questions I have;

 - Can I connect the kit up to cubase so that I could record every pad 
to a different track for later editing?

 - Can I use the kit to trigger seperate samples via cubase (again 1 
sample per track per pad ), so that I'm bypassing the kit's own sounds?

 - How much punishment can the kit take? I have a buddy who is 
an 'aggressive' drummer & would like to know how careful you need to 
be with it...!

Sorry if these are kind of obvious questions. I've been trying to find 
as much info as I can, but because I'm not that familiar with the area 
am not 100% sure if it will do what I need it to or not.

Thanks for the help & lastly, would anyone recommend anything other 
than the dtxpress for this sort of thing? (although I'm guessing that 
maybe an illegal sort of question around here!!)

cheers

Adrian

Re: Help pls! basic DTXpress & computer questions

2005-05-11 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vantre1" <adrianoc@d...> wrote:
> Hi folks.

Hi Adrian. Welcome to the party.
 
> Can I connect the kit up to cubase so that I could record every pad 
> to a different track for later editing?

Yes, just give each pad its own MIDI track. The default track for e-
drums is 10, but you can depart from it manually.
 
> Can I use the kit to trigger seperate samples via cubase (again 1 
> sample per track per pad ), so that I'm bypassing the kit's own 
sounds?

Yes, just adjust MIDI notes for each pad to match the MIDI notes for 
your target samples.

>How much punishment can the kit take? I have a buddy who is 
> an 'aggressive' drummer & would like to know how careful you need 
to 
> be with it...!

e-drums are built to withstand a fair amount of punishment. We don't 
receive many posts about pads failing because of mistreatment, 
although occasionally it happens. The great majority of rubber kits 
survive the onslaughts of converted acoustic heavy hitters without 
too much trouble. That said, drummers making the transition should 
keep in mind that strength is more likely to result in punishment 
than reward on e-drums. Since they're hitting electronic elements 
inside the pads, control rather than force dictates how they are 
going to respond. Once the module is programmed for its widest 
dynamic range, you'll quickly notice how easy it is to reach peak 
gain. Drummers who flail away recklessly risk making sounds that they 
don't intend, not making sounds that they do, hearing way too much 
stick noise, and possibly damaging their components. This is not to 
say the normal exuberance that drummers feel when they play is out of 
place on e-drums; it isn't. But force achieves the law of diminishing 
returns faster than with acoustics; let the module do the heavy 
lifting. Of course, well-mic'ed acoustic drums aren't totally 
dissimilar in response; they don't require much force to achieve a 
big sound either.

> Thanks for the help & lastly, would anyone recommend anything other 
> than the dtxpress for this sort of thing? (although I'm guessing 
that 
> maybe an illegal sort of question around here!!)

We're denominationally nondenominational. We have a healthy respect 
for everything, though we try to remain sensitive to cost. Any kit 
with a module--Yamaha, Roland, or otherwise--will mate with a 
sequencer on a PC. If you intend to bypass a module's sounds for 
samples on a regular basis, you might consider a used or otherwise 
inexpensive module for the MIDI connection. Otherwise the tone 
generator would be a waste for you. 

So far as feel and robustness are concerned, the rubber pads of the 
Yamaha DTXtremeIIS kit are much less jarring on the joints than those 
on the DTXpress, and they feel more like acoustic heads. The mesh 
kits made by Roland, Hart, Pintech, and a few other companies 
arguably simulate the acoustic experience best of all, given that the 
drums are shells with silent woven heads rather than mylar ones. Many 
companies make cymbals intended to look and play like acoustics. The 
round Yamaha rubber ones are a good option, but so are those from 
Pintech, as well as the acrylic ones from Visu-lite, the metal ones 
from Hart or Smartrigger, etc. Be forewarned, however, that not all 
components from other companies mate perfectly with Yamaha modules. 
Unless they specify otherwise, they usually have Roland's in mind, 
though they will generally work with ddrum and Alesis as well.

Modules become more versatile, sensitive, user-friendly, and refined 
in both sound and nuance with price. Pound for pound, Roland 
equipment costs more than anything else, not necessarily because 
it's "better" by all comparisons but because it is the strongest name 
in the market. If you stick around, you'll get a sense of the wide 
range available.

Ed

Re: Help pls! basic DTXpress & computer questions

2005-05-11 by vantre1

Ed - many thanks for that detailed reply. You've pretty much 
convinced me that it's possible to create my perfect set up :)

One other dtxpress-specific question though. I'm a big fan of the 
use of ghost notes on the snare (although not really up to playing 
them!). I've seen a couple of comments about the machine gun effect. 
Does the dtxpress really have the sensitivity to really reflect a 
nice ghost style or is something much higher end needed for that 
(which would be out of the question budget-wise)

thanks again!

Adrian

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vantre1" <adrianoc@d...> wrote:
> > Hi folks.
> 
> Hi Adrian. Welcome to the party.
>  
> > Can I connect the kit up to cubase so that I could record every 
pad 
> > to a different track for later editing?
> 
> Yes, just give each pad its own MIDI track. The default track for 
e-
> drums is 10, but you can depart from it manually.
>  
> > Can I use the kit to trigger seperate samples via cubase (again 
1 
> > sample per track per pad ), so that I'm bypassing the kit's own 
> sounds?
> 
> Yes, just adjust MIDI notes for each pad to match the MIDI notes 
for 
> your target samples.
> 
> >How much punishment can the kit take? I have a buddy who is 
> > an 'aggressive' drummer & would like to know how careful you 
need 
> to 
> > be with it...!
> 
> e-drums are built to withstand a fair amount of punishment. We 
don't 
> receive many posts about pads failing because of mistreatment, 
> although occasionally it happens. The great majority of rubber 
kits 
> survive the onslaughts of converted acoustic heavy hitters without 
> too much trouble. That said, drummers making the transition should 
> keep in mind that strength is more likely to result in punishment 
> than reward on e-drums. Since they're hitting electronic elements 
> inside the pads, control rather than force dictates how they are 
> going to respond. Once the module is programmed for its widest 
> dynamic range, you'll quickly notice how easy it is to reach peak 
> gain. Drummers who flail away recklessly risk making sounds that 
they 
> don't intend, not making sounds that they do, hearing way too much 
> stick noise, and possibly damaging their components. This is not 
to 
> say the normal exuberance that drummers feel when they play is out 
of 
> place on e-drums; it isn't. But force achieves the law of 
diminishing 
> returns faster than with acoustics; let the module do the heavy 
> lifting. Of course, well-mic'ed acoustic drums aren't totally 
> dissimilar in response; they don't require much force to achieve a 
> big sound either.
> 
> > Thanks for the help & lastly, would anyone recommend anything 
other 
> > than the dtxpress for this sort of thing? (although I'm guessing 
> that 
> > maybe an illegal sort of question around here!!)
> 
> We're denominationally nondenominational. We have a healthy 
respect 
> for everything, though we try to remain sensitive to cost. Any kit 
> with a module--Yamaha, Roland, or otherwise--will mate with a 
> sequencer on a PC. If you intend to bypass a module's sounds for 
> samples on a regular basis, you might consider a used or otherwise 
> inexpensive module for the MIDI connection. Otherwise the tone 
> generator would be a waste for you. 
> 
> So far as feel and robustness are concerned, the rubber pads of 
the 
> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS kit are much less jarring on the joints than 
those 
> on the DTXpress, and they feel more like acoustic heads. The mesh 
> kits made by Roland, Hart, Pintech, and a few other companies 
> arguably simulate the acoustic experience best of all, given that 
the 
> drums are shells with silent woven heads rather than mylar ones. 
Many 
> companies make cymbals intended to look and play like acoustics. 
The 
> round Yamaha rubber ones are a good option, but so are those from 
> Pintech, as well as the acrylic ones from Visu-lite, the metal 
ones 
> from Hart or Smartrigger, etc. Be forewarned, however, that not 
all 
> components from other companies mate perfectly with Yamaha 
modules. 
> Unless they specify otherwise, they usually have Roland's in mind, 
> though they will generally work with ddrum and Alesis as well.
> 
> Modules become more versatile, sensitive, user-friendly, and 
refined 
> in both sound and nuance with price. Pound for pound, Roland 
> equipment costs more than anything else, not necessarily because 
> it's "better" by all comparisons but because it is the strongest 
name 
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> in the market. If you stick around, you'll get a sense of the wide 
> range available.
> 
> Ed

Re: Help pls! basic DTXpress & computer questions

2005-05-11 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vantre1" <adrianoc@d...> wrote:
> Ed - many thanks for that detailed reply. You've pretty much 
> convinced me that it's possible to create my perfect set up :)
> 
> One other dtxpress-specific question though. I'm a big fan of the 
> use of ghost notes on the snare (although not really up to playing 
> them!). I've seen a couple of comments about the machine gun effect. 
> Does the dtxpress really have the sensitivity to really reflect a 
> nice ghost style or is something much higher end needed for that 
> (which would be out of the question budget-wise)

Adrian,

I must confess that it's been a while since I used a DTXpress to make 
drum sounds; so my memory isn't perfect. I hope other members will 
give you their impressions. But the DTXpress was my first, beloved 
electronic kit. After playing acoustic drums for at least 35 years, 
and having had mixed feelings about the early electronic percussion 
that I'd heard, I was completely thrilled about the DTXpress when I 
tried it. As I got more acquainted with it, its limitations, vis a vis 
acoustic drums, became more apparent, but they didn't diminish my 
affection for it. It is quite capable of decent dynamic range and 
enough nuance to achieve satisfactory performance under many 
conditions, though it hasn't eliminated the machine-gun effect 
entirely. It is sensitive enough to register light ghost notes, 
especially with its own components, but it doesn't have any dedicated 
way to minimize the effect of each hit being essentially its own 
entity, without natural acoustic decay. Judicious use of the onboard 
reverb and velocity crossfading can help, but they are too crude at 
the DTXpress level for complete success. Some of the samples are 
better than others in this respect, but, as you feared, you have to 
spend more money to buy a kit that devotes exlicit attention to 
softening the sound envelope. You may find that software manipulation 
on a PC does a better job. That said, however, the DTXPU is a solid, 
high-quality entry into the game.  A lot more money gets you better 
performance all around, and a little more money can change the 
emphases here and there. But the DTXpress gets your foot in the door 
quite nicely.

Ed

Re: Help pls! basic DTXpress & computer questions

2005-05-16 by zapaxe

Hi there,

It looks like Ed pretty much answered your questions...But there was 
this very same question on the Cubase.net forum a week or so ago. I 
myself was in this conversation and I think it was MY thread 
actually (in the VST/FX's heading) and was also wondering if I could 
send each pad to a different midi track. This asked since someone 
said that I could separate each midi drum pad/hit after record..Then 
I asked if this can be done in the way IN to Cubase.

Maybe since you use Cubase, you were in that thread? If so, I've got 
egg on my face :O

I'm also looking to record midi to my Cubase computer DAW with my 
DTXpress kit, and use sampler & other samples to play back instead 
of the DTXpress sounds. I've been looking at FXpansion's BFD and 
Toontracks DFHS for my drum software interface and sample source. 
But if I go on the cheap, I'll just get FXpansions DR-008 drum 
sampler and collect some good drum samples....?
I'm only recentlty been exploring the world of midi, and starting 
with my edrums 1st, then my keybaord etc...

Steve


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vantre1" <adrianoc@d...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I know very little about electronic drums but would like to 
integrate 
> something like the dtxpress into a pc recording set-up (cubase). 
These 
> are the questions I have;
> 
>  - Can I connect the kit up to cubase so that I could record every 
pad 
> to a different track for later editing?
> 
>  - Can I use the kit to trigger seperate samples via cubase (again 
1 
> sample per track per pad ), so that I'm bypassing the kit's own 
sounds?
> 
>  - How much punishment can the kit take? I have a buddy who is 
> an 'aggressive' drummer & would like to know how careful you need 
to 
> be with it...!
> 
> Sorry if these are kind of obvious questions. I've been trying to 
find 
> as much info as I can, but because I'm not that familiar with the 
area 
> am not 100% sure if it will do what I need it to or not.
> 
> Thanks for the help & lastly, would anyone recommend anything 
other 
> than the dtxpress for this sort of thing? (although I'm guessing 
that 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> maybe an illegal sort of question around here!!)
> 
> cheers
> 
> Adrian

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