Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi There

As a recent purchaser of a second hand DTXpress III I have had great fun
over the last couple of weeks re-introducing myself to the joys of playing
the drums after a 12 year absence ! I currently have it set up to a Denon
Midi System and Kef Subwoofer and am learning my way through the various
tunes trying to increase the varieties of rhythms I can play.

My question is, what is a cheap and relatively simple way to record the
output of my drumming, I would like to do this firstly so I can listen back
and hear how many mistakes I make and where I make them ?

Many Thanks

Mark




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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, mark.fletcher@a... wrote:
> 
> Hi There
> 
> As a recent purchaser of a second hand DTXpress III I have had 
great fun
> over the last couple of weeks re-introducing myself to the joys of 
playing
> the drums after a 12 year absence ! I currently have it set up to a 
Denon
> Midi System and Kef Subwoofer and am learning my way through the 
various
> tunes trying to increase the varieties of rhythms I can play.
> 
> My question is, what is a cheap and relatively simple way to record 
the
> output of my drumming, I would like to do this firstly so I can 
listen back
> and hear how many mistakes I make and where I make them ?

Hi Mark,

Congratulations on picking up the kit and welcome to the group. I 
assume that you don't want to use the DTXpress sequencer to record 
the drums along with a MIDI track. I'm also going to assume that you 
don't want to go the PC route with a sequencer/recording console, 
which can be a little complicated and a little expensive, depending 
on exactly what you want to do and how comfortable you are with 
computer devices. I'm not sure exactly what a Denon Midi system is, 
but it apparently doesn't entail what MIDI means to most of us here--
Musical Instrument Digital Interface, which would be sequencer 
territory. 

Cheap alternatives for audio recording will depend a little on 
exactly what you mean by "cheap." You could use a two-track tape deck 
or digital recorder to connect directly to the output of the module 
or to a mixer receiving its output along with a separate feed from, 
say, a CD player (is the Denon Midi system like a boom-box?). You 
might also consider one of the relatively inexpensive 4-track 
recorders from Fostex, Tascam, Yamaha, etc., which would give you 
more control over the sound and finesse your recordings. The cassette 
versions are the cheapest options, and if you'd be using it solely as 
a notebook to keep track of your progress, a used one would probably 
suffice, and allow a few more features. Ebay seems to have a ready 
supply of them. The digital ones sometimes give you the opportunity 
to master to disk right on-board, but that privilege obviously comes 
with a price.

If I've messed up, let me know.

Ed

Ed
 
Many thanks for your reply, it appears I have confused this issue somewhat
with my mention of the word MIDI. By this I mean nothing more than the size
of the system, it is mid size in-between what I would class as full-size hi
fi equipment and a mini system. Seems like it's time for me to start
brushing up on my technological music terminology !!!
 
The Denon system is a combined AMP, TUNER and CD Player with several inputs
for tape, aux etc. I currently have the output of the DTXpress brain feeding
into the Aux input and therefore getting stereo sound out through the
speakers and sub. I reckon if I plugged in a MiniDisc player to the digital
output from my Denon it should record what I want to hear?
 
Thanks for the advice looks like there is a wealth of knowledge on here.
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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Subject: [DTXpress] Re: How to record output of DTXpress ?



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, mark.fletcher@a... wrote:
> 
> Hi There
> 
> As a recent purchaser of a second hand DTXpress III I have had 
great fun
> over the last couple of weeks re-introducing myself to the joys of 
playing
> the drums after a 12 year absence ! I currently have it set up to a 
Denon
> Midi System and Kef Subwoofer and am learning my way through the 
various
> tunes trying to increase the varieties of rhythms I can play.
> 
> My question is, what is a cheap and relatively simple way to record 
the
> output of my drumming, I would like to do this firstly so I can 
listen back
> and hear how many mistakes I make and where I make them ?

Hi Mark,

Congratulations on picking up the kit and welcome to the group. I 
assume that you don't want to use the DTXpress sequencer to record 
the drums along with a MIDI track. I'm also going to assume that you 
don't want to go the PC route with a sequencer/recording console, 
which can be a little complicated and a little expensive, depending 
on exactly what you want to do and how comfortable you are with 
computer devices. I'm not sure exactly what a Denon Midi system is, 
but it apparently doesn't entail what MIDI means to most of us here--
Musical Instrument Digital Interface, which would be sequencer 
territory. 

Cheap alternatives for audio recording will depend a little on 
exactly what you mean by "cheap." You could use a two-track tape deck 
or digital recorder to connect directly to the output of the module 
or to a mixer receiving its output along with a separate feed from, 
say, a CD player (is the Denon Midi system like a boom-box?). You 
might also consider one of the relatively inexpensive 4-track 
recorders from Fostex, Tascam, Yamaha, etc., which would give you 
more control over the sound and finesse your recordings. The cassette 
versions are the cheapest options, and if you'd be using it solely as 
a notebook to keep track of your progress, a used one would probably 
suffice, and allow a few more features. Ebay seems to have a ready 
supply of them. The digital ones sometimes give you the opportunity 
to master to disk right on-board, but that privilege obviously comes 
with a price.

If I've messed up, let me know.

Ed






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are trading names of Allianz Cornhill Insurance plc.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, mark.fletcher@a... wrote:
> Ed
>  
> Many thanks for your reply, it appears I have confused this issue 
somewhat
> with my mention of the word MIDI. By this I mean nothing more than 
the size
> of the system, it is mid size in-between what I would class as full-
size hi
> fi equipment and a mini system. Seems like it's time for me to start
> brushing up on my technological music terminology !!!
>  
> The Denon system is a combined AMP, TUNER and CD Player with 
several inputs
> for tape, aux etc. I currently have the output of the DTXpress 
brain feeding
> into the Aux input and therefore getting stereo sound out through 
the
> speakers and sub. I reckon if I plugged in a MiniDisc player to the 
digital
> output from my Denon it should record what I want to hear?

Mark,

I figured that's what you meant by Midi system. Keep the volume way 
down when you play the DTXpress through the Denon; you could easily 
blow the speakers. What I'd do in your situation is connect the 
output of the Denon (if it has one) to the aux input on the front 
panel of the DTXpress module. Then you can use the volume control to 
mix your feed (whether CD or tuner) with the kit to hear yourself 
play along with real music (I suspect that you haven't been able to 
do that yet). The result will issue from the headphone jack, which 
you can use for monitoring (more below), and the back stereo outputs, 
which can connect to your Minidisc player or cassette deck for 
recording (if you want to record only yourself, turn the aux volume 
all the way down and listen to the Denon through its own amp/ 
speakers). 

As I said in the first post, using a dedicated mixer to take output 
from both the Denon and the kit as an intermediate step before 
recording will permit better control and flexibility. But the 
shortcut w/o mixer should work fine. For at least the reason that I 
alluded to above, monitoring by headphone is a better option than the 
Denon's speakers, which are certainly too fragile to do the job for 
long. If you can swing it, you'll need a low-impedance, high-
sensitivity set of phones, preferably with a closed design to keep 
out stray noise and maximize SPL. If you need any more help, just 
holler.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, mark.fletcher@a... wrote:
> > 
> > Hi There
> > 
> > As a recent purchaser of a second hand DTXpress III I have had 
> great fun
> > over the last couple of weeks re-introducing myself to the joys of 
> playing
> > the drums after a 12 year absence ! I currently have it set up to a 
> Denon
> > Midi System and Kef Subwoofer and am learning my way through the 
> various
> > tunes trying to increase the varieties of rhythms I can play.
> > 
> > My question is, what is a cheap and relatively simple way to record 
> the
> > output of my drumming, I would like to do this firstly so I can 
> listen back
> > and hear how many mistakes I make and where I make them ?
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Congratulations on picking up the kit and welcome to the group. I 
> assume that you don't want to use the DTXpress sequencer to record 
> the drums along with a MIDI track. I'm also going to assume that you 
> don't want to go the PC route with a sequencer/recording console, 
> which can be a little complicated and a little expensive, depending 
> on exactly what you want to do and how comfortable you are with 
> computer devices. I'm not sure exactly what a Denon Midi system is, 
> but it apparently doesn't entail what MIDI means to most of us here--
> Musical Instrument Digital Interface, which would be sequencer 
> territory. 
> 
> Cheap alternatives for audio recording will depend a little on 
> exactly what you mean by "cheap." You could use a two-track tape deck 
> or digital recorder to connect directly to the output of the module 
> or to a mixer receiving its output along with a separate feed from, 
> say, a CD player (is the Denon Midi system like a boom-box?). You 
> might also consider one of the relatively inexpensive 4-track 
> recorders from Fostex, Tascam, Yamaha, etc., which would give you 
> more control over the sound and finesse your recordings. The cassette 
> versions are the cheapest options, and if you'd be using it solely as 
> a notebook to keep track of your progress, a used one would probably 
> suffice, and allow a few more features. Ebay seems to have a ready 
> supply of them. The digital ones sometimes give you the opportunity 
> to master to disk right on-board, but that privilege obviously comes 
> with a price.
> 
> If I've messed up, let me know.
> 
> Ed



yeh a midi sysem (especialy a dennon one) is going to be some hifi
seperates (im guessing denon ones) ie cd player, tuner, preamp and
power amp etc etc.  technicly a midi system is an all in one but i
know what he means.(lol between a maxi system and a micro system)