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I went ahead and bought the Behringer KX1200 Keyboard Amp/PA System $199 model with free shipping.

Sounds great so far!!!

If you purchase, remember to keep the box to return if required

> If you purchase, remember to keep the box to return if required

Aye, I'm kinda irritated by that. I mean, it's a bloody big box. I got
to thinking that maybe that type of policy (although in this case
obviously the company is German (I think) so I'm on shaky ground
already, but I'd have to rest on "America sets the trend that others
follow) is rooted in the US where, I'm given to understand, there's
plenty of space, houses are larger, so there's space for all the boxes
of the things you buy.

Me, I live in the UK and my cellar's already full of stuff, some of
which is the boxes all the stuff above ground level came in.

The thing is, UK law says nothing about keeping the box. It does say
something should be fit for purpose and durable. So if it fails, the
box doesn't matter, in law they've broken their contract (I'm not a
lawyer, so take this with a pinch of salt).

So I've taken to thinking that the 'keep the box' instruction is just
another psychological trick manufacturers use to stop us returning
things, even though it has no standing in law. We may think "I'd
return that, but I didn't keep the box so I'm sure they won't take
it", or when you call "did you keep the box?", "no", "well we can't
take it back then", "but the law says otherwise", "well, tell me again
what the problem is ... ".

Or maybe I'm just a cynic.

Maybe the box thing is just for if you change your mind and want to
send it back because it doesn't match the sideboard.

I did, however, keep the box.

J

Hey John,

Shaky ground indeed. I blame US mentality for a lot of
the ills in the world, but "keeping the box" seems
like stretching it a bit. I recently returned a dvd
player without the box to circuit city, they charged a
$20 fee for not having the box, but replaced the unit
anyway. You have a cellar? I don't, and I live in the
grand old USA, my apartment might be a little bigger
than your cellar, and I have two cats a drumset and 14
guitars to hide in it. I agree about the
"psychological trick manufacturers use to stop us
returning things", but I don't think it was
manufactured in the USA. Probably wrong on that
though.

Just pulling your chain mate, no worries,

John

--- john@... wrote:

> > If you purchase, remember to keep the box to
> return if required
> 
> Aye, I'm kinda irritated by that. I mean, it's a
> bloody big box. I got
> to thinking that maybe that type of policy (although
> in this case
> obviously the company is German (I think) so I'm on
> shaky ground
> already, but I'd have to rest on "America sets the
> trend that others
> follow) is rooted in the US where, I'm given to
> understand, there's
> plenty of space, houses are larger, so there's space
> for all the boxes
> of the things you buy.
> 
> Me, I live in the UK and my cellar's already full of
> stuff, some of
> which is the boxes all the stuff above ground level
> came in.
> 
> The thing is, UK law says nothing about keeping the
> box. It does say
> something should be fit for purpose and durable. So
> if it fails, the
> box doesn't matter, in law they've broken their
> contract (I'm not a
> lawyer, so take this with a pinch of salt).
> 
> So I've taken to thinking that the 'keep the box'
> instruction is just
> another psychological trick manufacturers use to
> stop us returning
> things, even though it has no standing in law. We
> may think "I'd
> return that, but I didn't keep the box so I'm sure
> they won't take
> it", or when you call "did you keep the box?", "no",
> "well we can't
> take it back then", "but the law says otherwise",
> "well, tell me again
> what the problem is ... ".
> 
> Or maybe I'm just a cynic.
> 
> Maybe the box thing is just for if you change your
> mind and want to
> send it back because it doesn't match the sideboard.
> 
> I did, however, keep the box.
> 
> J
> 


		
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote:
> > If you purchase, remember to keep the box to return if required
> 
> Aye, I'm kinda irritated by that. I mean, it's a bloody big box. I got

I assumed his comment was just that you are likely to need to return
it to be fixed, so keep the box to send it back in ;-)  The only
reason for keeping boxes normally is if the object is awkward or
delicate so packing it would be difficult.  The lack of a box doesn't
alter your rights under consumer law (in the UK anyway).

Keith.

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote:
>> > If you purchase, remember to keep the box to return if required
>>
>> Aye, I'm kinda irritated by that. I mean, it's a bloody big box. I
>> got
>
> I assumed his comment was just that you are likely to need to return
> it to be fixed, so keep the box to send it back in ;-)

No no, Behringer state it explicitely. I wasn't irritated by the
comment, I was irritated by Behringer. Subsequently I've noticed it's
a 'requirement' for a lot of products.

J

> No no, Behringer state it explicitely. I wasn't irritated by the
> comment, I was irritated by Behringer. Subsequently I've noticed it's
> a 'requirement' for a lot of products.
> 

It cannot affect you statutory rights if you don't keep it (in the UK
anyway).  

Keith.