Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

> go up to 127. Do it.This should make a big difference, but GET A GOOD
> PAIR OF HEADPHONES.

I agree 100%.
Why is it things should always be blamed on Yamaha ? Blame it on your
headphones !
There's NO PROBLEM WITH THE VOLUME OUTPUT.
I can assure you that with a pair of Sennheiser HD250 it's too loud if I put
the sound all the way up.

Erick FP

--- In DTXpress@y..., "Erick Falc'her-Poyroux" <efp@w...> wrote:
> > go up to 127. Do it.This should make a big difference, but GET A 
GOOD
> > PAIR OF HEADPHONES.
> 
> I agree 100%.
> Why is it things should always be blamed on Yamaha ? Blame it on 
your
> headphones !
> There's NO PROBLEM WITH THE VOLUME OUTPUT.
> I can assure you that with a pair of Sennheiser HD250 it's too loud 
if I put
> the sound all the way up.
> 
> Erick FP

I have to put in my two cents here also. A quality pair of headphones 
makes all the difference. I have a "good" quality set of Sony 
headphones (not top of the line), and I have no problem with the 
volume at all. If I turn it up all the way it's too loud. 

Cary H

Umm, the HD250 II is a MSRP $249.99 headphone.  Is it just me, or does 
spending $250 on a pair of headphones to get a reasonable volume level 
not indicate an appropriate design of headphone amplifer?

Well, if the headphone volume on the DTXpress is just fine, then the 
headphone volume on the DTXtreme is WAY TOO LOUD.  I too compensated for 
the inappropriate volume levels coming from the DTXpress by using a good 
pair of Sennheiser headphones myself (SD 25, not as good as your of 
course).  My DTXtreme sits on about 50% volume and is louder than my 
DTXpress ever was with the same headset.  Believe me, it's really nice 
to have the flexibility to crank up the volume if you need too.

Two things about this:

* This was clearly a cost cutting option.  Yamaha didn't sit down and 
decide that DTXpress people need half the headphone volume capability of 
their DTXpress in a board meeting.  This unit had to be inexpensive to 
produce and I believe the headphone volume was a suitable area of 
sacrifice.

* Yamaha also didn't sit down to decide it would be appropriate to have 
low volume out because everyone was going to be using $200 headphones on 
a $900 kit.  The market for inexpensive drum kits and the market for 
high-end headphones likely has a pretty small intersection.  Most of us 
who have good headphones and a DTXpress already play another instrument 
or have been active in an area of music, radio, or other area where 
we've run across good headphones before and know the difference.

We're playing a very inexpensive instrument here, and in some ways we 
got what we paid for.  In other areas, we got a great deal more.  
Unfortunately, in the headphone area amp, we got what we paid for.  But 
don't tell everyone they are expecting too much from a $900 drumset 
because they refuse to by $200 headphones.

-Dan



On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 06:00 PM, Erick Falc'her-Poyroux wrote:

> > go up to 127. Do it.This should make a big difference, but GET A GOOD
> > PAIR OF HEADPHONES.
>
> I agree 100%.
> Why is it things should always be blamed on Yamaha ? Blame it on your
> headphones !
> There's NO PROBLEM WITH THE VOLUME OUTPUT.
> I can assure you that with a pair of Sennheiser HD250 it's too loud if 
> I put
> the sound all the way up.
>
> Erick FP
>
>

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Dan,

These are points well taken. But the unknown variable here is just 
how loud the next guy needs to hear the crude mix through the 
headphone jacks. I consider myself a loud player, but I am satisfied 
with the relative levels of the kit and the aux source through 
headphones without the aid of mixer or amp. I am willing to bet that 
with the global volume turned up all the way in the utility mode and 
decent phones, most users will not be troubled. And decent phones do 
not have to carry a tag of $250. A considerably less expensive 
closed design will work wonders. My Sennheiser 535s--an open model--
listed for $170; I bought them at close out for &75 or so. I've 
heard of people getting them for $60 or less. That much money is not 
out of the question for owners of the DTXPRESS. But anyone who 
expects to plug in his walkman phones and bang away is in for a rude 
awakening.

By the way, thanks to everyone in the group for the valuable 
discussion. I tuned in while I was waiting for my kit. When it 
arrived, I was pretty well schooled in the basics to set it up 
quickly (and then contact Yamaha about my faulty KP60, but that is 
another matter altogether).

Ed (not to be confused with Ed of Drumbalaya, god bless'em)



--- In DTXpress@y..., Dan Mowczan <lists@m...> wrote:
> Umm, the HD250 II is a MSRP $249.99 headphone.  Is it just me, or 
does 
> spending $250 on a pair of headphones to get a reasonable volume 
level 
> not indicate an appropriate design of headphone amplifer?
> 
> Well, if the headphone volume on the DTXpress is just fine, then 
the 
> headphone volume on the DTXtreme is WAY TOO LOUD.  I too 
compensated for 
> the inappropriate volume levels coming from the DTXpress by using 
a good 
> pair of Sennheiser headphones myself (SD 25, not as good as your 
of 
> course).  My DTXtreme sits on about 50% volume and is louder than 
my 
> DTXpress ever was with the same headset.  Believe me, it's really 
nice 
> to have the flexibility to crank up the volume if you need too.
> 
> Two things about this:
> 
> * This was clearly a cost cutting option.  Yamaha didn't sit down 
and 
> decide that DTXpress people need half the headphone volume 
capability of 
> their DTXpress in a board meeting.  This unit had to be 
inexpensive to 
> produce and I believe the headphone volume was a suitable area of 
> sacrifice.
> 
> * Yamaha also didn't sit down to decide it would be appropriate to 
have 
> low volume out because everyone was going to be using $200 
headphones on 
> a $900 kit.  The market for inexpensive drum kits and the market 
for 
> high-end headphones likely has a pretty small intersection.  Most 
of us 
> who have good headphones and a DTXpress already play another 
instrument 
> or have been active in an area of music, radio, or other area 
where 
> we've run across good headphones before and know the difference.
> 
> We're playing a very inexpensive instrument here, and in some ways 
we 
> got what we paid for.  In other areas, we got a great deal more.  
> Unfortunately, in the headphone area amp, we got what we paid 
for.  But 
> don't tell everyone they are expecting too much from a $900 
drumset 
> because they refuse to by $200 headphones.
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 06:00 PM, Erick Falc'her-Poyroux 
wrote:
> 
> > > go up to 127. Do it.This should make a big difference, but GET 
A GOOD
> > > PAIR OF HEADPHONES.
> >
> > I agree 100%.
> > Why is it things should always be blamed on Yamaha ? Blame it on 
your
> > headphones !
> > There's NO PROBLEM WITH THE VOLUME OUTPUT.
> > I can assure you that with a pair of Sennheiser HD250 it's too 
loud if 
> > I put
> > the sound all the way up.
> >
> > Erick FP
> >
> >
> 
> >
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> Dan Mowczan

--- In DTXpress@y..., "Erick Falc'her-Poyroux" <efp@w...> wrote:
> > go up to 127. Do it.This should make a big difference, but GET A 
GOOD
> > PAIR OF HEADPHONES.
> 
> I agree 100%.
> Why is it things should always be blamed on Yamaha ? Blame it on 
your
> headphones !
> There's NO PROBLEM WITH THE VOLUME OUTPUT.
> I can assure you that with a pair of Sennheiser HD250 it's too 
loud if I put
> the sound all the way up.
> 
> Erick FP

The only reason I purchased the DTXpress,is because i found a floor 
model for $700.00! Your sugestion that I spend $250.00 for a set of 
headphones is unacceptable!


lockhart69t

> The only reason I purchased the DTXpress,is because i found a floor 
> model for $700.00! Your sugestion that I spend $250.00 for a set of 
> headphones is unacceptable!

Cool, man !
I never suggested anything like that. 1/ I certainly didn't pay that 
price for those headphones. 2/ You can get good headphones for far 
less.
I only said :
- don't always blame Yamaha, 
- check your headphones' impedance.

Erick FP