Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi Dan,

There are many pads you can buy, but first you need to
decide if you want new or used ones.  You can get used
pads (if you are careful) that still are in very good
shape.  I also will assume for this discussion that
you are in the US, and the prices I use will be US
prices.

Lets talk about used pads first.  The main choices you
have are eBay, classified ads on the web, people that
offer them on forums - I have used all of these, and
sometimes I have ended up paying almost as much as for
new items - sometimes I have found great deals.  The
risks with these methods are encountering dishonest
people who either do not send you a product, or send
you one that is not as it was described.  To minimize
the potential for this, there are services that will
hold the buyer's money until the buyer is satisfied
with the transaction.  One more way to prevent this is
to go to a used drum dealer.  Ed at www.drumbalaya.com
(I've been there so many times that I can actually
spell drumbalaya right the first time - that's
progress Ed!) offers pretested used edrum components
(and new), and has what must be the biggest selection
of them that I've seen.  He tests everything he buys,
and let's you know what you can expect before you buy.
 His frustration at using the methods mentioned above
for his own edrum kit led him to create the company.

Now for new Yamaha pads, which Ed doesn't carry,
midwestpercussion.com is one place that is usually a
few dollars cheaper than other places.  There are also
local music shops that are Yamaha dealers - sometimes
their prices can be better than ones on the web,
especially when shipping is considered.

By the way, when you said you wanted a pad with a rim,
I assumed that you want to be able to make two sounds
with this pad, one from the main part of the head, and
another when you hit the rim, which can be called a
dual trigger, stereo or dual zone pad.  Let's not get
into the differences here - there have been many posts
to the group on that topic that you can find by using
the search tool.  

Now, what pads work with the DTXpress, for less than
$100 (new)?  Yamaha TP80S, Pintech CC102 or SE102 -
those are what comes to my mind.  All of them will
need some mounting mechanism, it it not usually
included with the pad.  Also, don't forget about
shipping, unless you buy locally.

A word of advice from someone that has asked himself
this same question before - I would spend more money
on your snare than on a tom pad, as it tends to be the
one we hit the most, and expect the most from.  I
would take the pad you use for your main snare
(especially if it is a TP60 or other single zone pad),
and make it your second snare and buy one of the pads
listed above to use as your main snare.  There are
people in this group who have all of these models of
pads hooked to the DTXpress, and all of them trigger
just fine.   Walt     

 
--- Plastic <luigishoulddie@...> wrote:
> I am buying a snare with rim on Friday.  I need to
> know for the money what is the best that works with
> the DTXPRESS.  I am willing to spend 100.  I just
> need the pad and maybe mounting if i need it.  Do I?
>  I would like to have my extra snare pad as a cymbal
> (I would just set it as one) so I would need another
> mounting thing right?  Thanx in advance.            
>                                                     
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>                                        
> 
> Dan
> 


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Yes, all of the models I listed are dual zone, which
will work on the DTXpress.  I have an SE-102 in my
kit.  Both of the Pintech pads are 10", where as the
TP80S is 8".  Yamaha offers a 90 warranty, Pintech's
is a lifetime warranty, they are all very reliable.

Two of them are rubber pads (TP80S and SE-102), while
the CC-102 is a metal shell with a mylar head
(www.edrums.com).  On the rubber pads, the raised
ridge around the edge is the second trigger.  I have
not used a CC-102 myself, so I will let others comment
on it. 

All of the use the same diameter (more or less)
mounting rod, but there are many varieties offered,
and the more sturdy and heavy duty you want, the
pricier they get.  If I read your description right, a
Yamaha TPCL80 might work, but it's tough for me to be
sure, I can't see what you want to do from here!   

My personal preference would lead me away from a
rubber headed pad for my snare, but my finances keep
me from spending $300 on the ones i really want.  I
have to keep feeding the piggy for a while longer...

Walt
 
--- Plastic <luigishoulddie@...> wrote:
> I am buying locally (Mars Music) so i just need to
> purchase one of those you mentioned.  Are they all
> dual trigger?  Also is the second place you hit a
> raised rim, or a spot on the pad.  Also is there a
> specific type of mounting or is it just the Yamaha
> DTX--- mount.  I think I will use that extra pad as
> a cymbal though, not a second snare.  i think the
> cymbal pads that come with the DTXPress suck, so i
> use pads instead.  I think everyone should,
> especially if you use 32nd notes on the ride.  
>     Lastly which of the dual trigger pads do you
> think is the most reliable?  Is Yamaha the brand, or
> should I mix up my set with pintech?  
> 
> 
> 
> Dan  
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Walt 
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:15 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] quick i need an answer
> 
> 
>   Hi Dan,
> 
>   There are many pads you can buy, but first you
> need to
>   decide if you want new or used ones.  You can get
> used
>   pads (if you are careful) that still are in very
> good
>   shape.  I also will assume for this discussion
> that
>   you are in the US, and the prices I use will be US
>   prices.
> 
>   Lets talk about used pads first.  The main choices
> you
>   have are eBay, classified ads on the web, people
> that
>   offer them on forums - I have used all of these,
> and
>   sometimes I have ended up paying almost as much as
> for
>   new items - sometimes I have found great deals. 
> The
>   risks with these methods are encountering
> dishonest
>   people who either do not send you a product, or
> send
>   you one that is not as it was described.  To
> minimize
>   the potential for this, there are services that
> will
>   hold the buyer's money until the buyer is
> satisfied
>   with the transaction.  One more way to prevent
> this is
>   to go to a used drum dealer.  Ed at
> www.drumbalaya.com
>   (I've been there so many times that I can actually
>   spell drumbalaya right the first time - that's
>   progress Ed!) offers pretested used edrum
> components
>   (and new), and has what must be the biggest
> selection
>   of them that I've seen.  He tests everything he
> buys,
>   and let's you know what you can expect before you
> buy.
>   His frustration at using the methods mentioned
> above
>   for his own edrum kit led him to create the
> company.
> 
>   Now for new Yamaha pads, which Ed doesn't carry,
>   midwestpercussion.com is one place that is usually
> a
>   few dollars cheaper than other places.  There are
> also
>   local music shops that are Yamaha dealers -
> sometimes
>   their prices can be better than ones on the web,
>   especially when shipping is considered.
> 
>   By the way, when you said you wanted a pad with a
> rim,
>   I assumed that you want to be able to make two
> sounds
>   with this pad, one from the main part of the head,
> and
>   another when you hit the rim, which can be called
> a
>   dual trigger, stereo or dual zone pad.  Let's not
> get
>   into the differences here - there have been many
> posts
>   to the group on that topic that you can find by
> using
>   the search tool.  
> 
>   Now, what pads work with the DTXpress, for less
> than
>   $100 (new)?  Yamaha TP80S, Pintech CC102 or SE102
> -
>   those are what comes to my mind.  All of them will
>   need some mounting mechanism, it it not usually
>   included with the pad.  Also, don't forget about
>   shipping, unless you buy locally.
> 
>   A word of advice from someone that has asked
> himself
>   this same question before - I would spend more
> money
>   on your snare than on a tom pad, as it tends to be
> the
>   one we hit the most, and expect the most from.  I
>   would take the pad you use for your main snare
>   (especially if it is a TP60 or other single zone
> pad),
>   and make it your second snare and buy one of the
> pads
>   listed above to use as your main snare.  There are
>   people in this group who have all of these models
> of
>   pads hooked to the DTXpress, and all of them
> trigger
>   just fine.   Walt     
> 
> 
>   --- Plastic <luigishoulddie@...> wrote:
>   > I am buying a snare with rim on Friday.  I need
> to
>   > know for the money what is the best that works
> with
>   > the DTXPRESS.  I am willing to spend 100.  I
> just
>   > need the pad and maybe mounting if i need it. 
> Do I?
>   >  I would like to have my extra snare pad as a
> cymbal
>   > (I would just set it as one) so I would need
> another
>   > mounting thing right?  Thanx in advance.        
>    
>   >                                                 
>    
>   >                                                 
>    
>   >                                                 
>    
>   >                                                 
>    
>   >                                        
>   > 
>   > Dan
>   > 
> 
> 
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Hi Dan,

If all of your pads are TP60s, you've got the older
version.  You can get used parts to stregthen your
rack fairly easily, in fact I have a bunch lying
around that I keep meaning to post in eBay.  If you're
interested, send me an email (wgardus@...) and
we can talk about it.  I know others reading this may
also have spare components they want to sell...  Walt 
--- Plastic <luigishoulddie@...> wrote:
> thanx man, I think I'll go with the Yamaha TP80S
> though.  I just trust Yamaha much more, as I've been
> using them forever.  I Just want to know if all
> clamps will fit on my bars.  I think I have the old
> set you or someone always talks about not getting. 
> I guess thats my only remaining question.  Thanks
> for the help Walt.
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Walt 
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:50 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] quick i need an answer
> 
> 
>   Yes, all of the models I listed are dual zone,
> which
>   will work on the DTXpress.  I have an SE-102 in my
>   kit.  Both of the Pintech pads are 10", where as
> the
>   TP80S is 8".  Yamaha offers a 90 warranty,
> Pintech's
>   is a lifetime warranty, they are all very
> reliable.
> 
>   Two of them are rubber pads (TP80S and SE-102),
> while
>   the CC-102 is a metal shell with a mylar head
>   (www.edrums.com).  On the rubber pads, the raised
>   ridge around the edge is the second trigger.  I
> have
>   not used a CC-102 myself, so I will let others
> comment
>   on it. 
> 
>   All of the use the same diameter (more or less)
>   mounting rod, but there are many varieties
> offered,
>   and the more sturdy and heavy duty you want, the
>   pricier they get.  If I read your description
> right, a
>   Yamaha TPCL80 might work, but it's tough for me to
> be
>   sure, I can't see what you want to do from here!  
> 
> 
>   My personal preference would lead me away from a
>   rubber headed pad for my snare, but my finances
> keep
>   me from spending $300 on the ones i really want. 
> I
>   have to keep feeding the piggy for a while
> longer...
> 
>   Walt
> 
>   --- Plastic <luigishoulddie@...> wrote:
>   > I am buying locally (Mars Music) so i just need
> to
>   > purchase one of those you mentioned.  Are they
> all
>   > dual trigger?  Also is the second place you hit
> a
>   > raised rim, or a spot on the pad.  Also is there
> a
>   > specific type of mounting or is it just the
> Yamaha
>   > DTX--- mount.  I think I will use that extra pad
> as
>   > a cymbal though, not a second snare.  i think
> the
>   > cymbal pads that come with the DTXPress suck, so
> i
>   > use pads instead.  I think everyone should,
>   > especially if you use 32nd notes on the ride.  
>   >     Lastly which of the dual trigger pads do you
>   > think is the most reliable?  Is Yamaha the
> brand, or
>   > should I mix up my set with pintech?  
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Dan  
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Walt 
>   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:15 PM
>   >   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] quick i need an answer
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Hi Dan,
>   > 
>   >   There are many pads you can buy, but first you
>   > need to
>   >   decide if you want new or used ones.  You can
> get
>   > used
>   >   pads (if you are careful) that still are in
> very
>   > good
>   >   shape.  I also will assume for this discussion
>   > that
>   >   you are in the US, and the prices I use will
> be US
>   >   prices.
>   > 
>   >   Lets talk about used pads first.  The main
> choices
>   > you
>   >   have are eBay, classified ads on the web,
> people
>   > that
>   >   offer them on forums - I have used all of
> these,
>   > and
>   >   sometimes I have ended up paying almost as
> much as
>   > for
>   >   new items - sometimes I have found great
> deals. 
>   > The
>   >   risks with these methods are encountering
>   > dishonest
>   >   people who either do not send you a product,
> or
>   > send
>   >   you one that is not as it was described.  To
>   > minimize
>   >   the potential for this, there are services
> that
>   > will
>   >   hold the buyer's money until the buyer is
>   > satisfied
>   >   with the transaction.  One more way to prevent
>   > this is
>   >   to go to a used drum dealer.  Ed at
>   > www.drumbalaya.com
>   >   (I've been there so many times that I can
> actually
>   >   spell drumbalaya right the first time - that's
>   >   progress Ed!) offers pretested used edrum
>   > components
>   >   (and new), and has what must be the biggest
>   > selection
>   >   of them that I've seen.  He tests everything
> he
>   > buys,
>   >   and let's you know what you can expect before
> you
>   > buy.
>   >   His frustration at using the methods mentioned
>   > above
>   >   for his own edrum kit led him to create the
>   > company.
>   > 
>   >   Now for new Yamaha pads, which Ed doesn't
> carry,
>   >   midwestpercussion.com is one place that is
> usually
>   > a
>   >   few dollars cheaper than other places.  There
> are
>   > also
>   >   local music shops that are Yamaha dealers -
>   > sometimes
>   >   their prices can be better than ones on the
> web,
>   >   especially when shipping is considered.
>   > 
>   >   By the way, when you said you wanted a pad
> with a
>   > rim,
>   >   I assumed that you want to be able to make two
>   > sounds
>   >   with this pad, one from the main part of the
> head,
>   > and
>   >   another when you hit the rim, which can be
> called
>   > a
>   >   dual trigger, stereo or dual zone pad.  Let's
> not
>   > get
>   >   into the differences here - there have been
> many
>   > posts
>   >   to the group on that topic that you can find
> by
>   > using
>   >   the search tool.  
>   > 
>   >   Now, what pads work with the DTXpress, for
> less
>   > than
>   >   $100 (new)?  Yamaha TP80S, Pintech CC102 or
> SE102
>   > -
>   >   those are what comes to my mind.  All of them
> will
> 
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