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DTX and Cakewalk

DTX and Cakewalk

2002-02-10 by hoopertoones

Thought I'd pass along this recent email conversation and see if 
anyone else can shed a little light......


"Was quering the DTXpress group for information on hooking the 
dtxpress module to a PC.  Noticed your questions were basically what 
I'm asking.  I'd like to hook my module up to my basic sound card 
(via game port) and it appears you wanted to do the same--i.e. use 
cakewalk and the sound module to lay down some tracks.

Were you succesful at getting the correct MIDI cable and figure out 
how to use cakewalk to sequence various voices from the dtxpress 
module?  If so, please briefly outline the steps you took.  I am an 
online teacher and am willing to build a small tutorial on getting 
this setup going but, of course, need to figure out how to get this 
going.  Once the tutorial is done I'd like to post the URL to the 
group--or just put it as a zip file in the "Files" section of the 
group." 


Sounds like you're wanting to do similar if not exactly what I was 
wanting to do...

You'll want to use the MIDI Out from the DTX.  NOT the 'Host' 
connection.  Sounds like for your set-up you'll need a cable with a 
male DIN connector on one end and a gameport type connector on the 
other. Try midicity.com.

At first I expected I was going to be able to take 'MIDI Out' from the 
DTX, record MIDI tracks to Cakewalk and then playback from the 
sequencer to the DTX 'MIDI In'.  The benifit would be: I'd be able to 
edit, quantize, etc the tracks in Cakewalk and then when playing back 
through the DTX brain, would still be able to select different kits, 
re-tune individual drums, etc.  Appearently Yamaha did not anticipate 
and facilitate this rather obvious application. The DTX brain doesn't 
naturally want to do this and you have to coax it with System 
Exclusive messages (and such voodoo) from Cakewalk.  That put it out 
of reach (or at least out of interest) for me.

However, I did work out a different system which uses the drum kits on 
my Yamaha SW60XG soundcard.  If your soundcard is just a basic FM 
synth card then you probably only have 1 drum kit (on Channel 10)  You 
~might~ have another one on Channel 16.  Starting with the first 10 
tracks clear in Cakewalk (ie put all other recorded parts on track 
numbers higher than 10) Go to Settings|Channel Table|and check the box 
'Record Events to Tracks by MIDI Channel' Fill in Channel 1 to Track 
1, Channel 2 to Track 2, etc. Then when you hit Record and play the 
DTX, Pad 1 will go to Track 1, Pad 2 to Track 2, etc.  However, ALL of 
the drum parts will be playing through Channel 10 of your soundcard.  
So, the bad news is that you cannot individually set Velocity, Pan, 
etc for each drum in the kit because any changes effect ALL the drum 
parts on Channel 10. You will however be able to edit (quantize, etc) 
the individual drum tracks in Cakewalk. In my case, with the SW60XG 
soundcard I've been using a program called XGedit to control the 
soundcard and it also has the capability to edit the individual drum 
parts within the soundcard Channel. One quirk I ran into is that I 
have to 'refresh' the synth after each time I touch anything on the 
DTX brain.  Otherwise I get Piano (General MIDI voice #1) sounds when 
I play the DTX pads. I think what happens when I 'refresh' the synth 
(using a button in XGedit) is that it sends a SysEx message to the DTX 
brain.  There may not be a way to do that with your basic soundcard.  

That being said, FM synth cards like yours and wavetable synth cards 
like the SW60XG are about to go the way of the dinosaurs.  Soft Synths 
are rapidly taking their place.  I am just about to get into soft 
synths and it looks like that system may help facilitate the process 
we were talking about above. We'll see..

In the meantime if you can coax anyone at the DTX forum to talk in 
more detail about how they are driving the DTX brain with their 
sequencer, I'd love to hear about it.  One of the problems in these 
things is that everybody's set-up is different so it's hard to get too 
specific with instructions.

good luck

Hoop

Re: DTX and Cakewalk

2002-02-20 by badnessbj

I, too, have a DTX that I bought ASSUMING it would be able to play 
nice with my PC and Cakewalk.  If you find out anything regarding 
getting it to record/playback with Cakewalk, PLEASE post!!

Thanks,
Brian

Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTX and Cakewalk

2002-02-20 by Scott Bettersworth

I use cakewalk (sonar) and the DTXpress. What specific
problem(s) are you having?

Scott

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Re: DTX and Cakewalk

2002-02-21 by badnessbj

I've tried with SONAR and CPA9 to record midi data from the drums so 
I can play it back, quantize it, etc.

--- In DTXpress@y..., Scott Bettersworth <sgbworth@y...> wrote:
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> I use cakewalk (sonar) and the DTXpress. What specific
> problem(s) are you having?
> 
> Scott

Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTX and Cakewalk

2002-02-21 by Scott Bettersworth

On the DTXpress you need to:
Turn local OFF.
Move the switch on the back of the module to MIDI.
This means you will only be able to hear the DTXpress
when Sonar is ON. I f you want to use the DTX alone,
you will need to turn Local ON and move the swith on
the back back to it's original position.

you will need two midi cables.
CABLE ONE: connect one end to the midi IN on the DTX
and the other end to the midi OUT on you sound card
(or midi box).
CABLE TWO: connect one end to the midi OUT on the DTX
and the other end to the midi IN on your sound card
(or midi box).

Computer (SONOR)Im assuming that you have a sound card
compatible with sonor.

You must assign the DTX to midi channels so that it
can communicate with sonor through the computer.

There are 32 channels available 16 are A channels and
16 are B channels. Since I have only two midi
instruments (the DTX and a Korg keyboard), I have
assigned the 16 A channels to the Korg and the 16 B
channels to the DTX.

TO assign channels do the following in SONOR

go to OPTIONS
go to INSTRUMENTS
select the channel(s) you want to use
select the instrument you want to use (Yamamha drums).
save the settings by checking the box.

If you don't see the yamahas in the instruments then
you will need to import the settings to the instrument
definitions in sonor. Refer to the manual for this.

NOW COMES THE PART THAT THE BOOK DOESN'T EXPLAIN
WELL!!

To record the midi drums
Select a midi track, not an audio track
Choose a channel (use 10)
Select an Instrument (the YAMAHA)
Select an out (use MIDI OMNI)
Select the R for record

You should be able to record and hear the  DTX.


NOW YOU GET TO FIGURE OUT THE LATENCY SETTINGS!! GET
OUT THE TYLONOL!

Let me know how it goes.



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Re: DTX and Cakewalk

2002-02-22 by badnessbj

Hi,

Thanks for the tips, I'm almost there!  I switched the setting in the 
back to MIDI, set up local off and the midi track in SONAR.  When 
local is set to off I can't hear the drums.  When I play back the 
drums I recorded (yea, they actually at least recorded!) nothing 
comes out of the DTXPress.  If I change the port to output to my Korg 
05R/W (I'm using a MOTU Midi Express XT for my MIDI device) the drums 
come out fine.

Any ideas??
Brian

--- In DTXpress@y..., Scott Bettersworth <sgbworth@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> On the DTXpress you need to:
> Turn local OFF.
> Move the switch on the back of the module to MIDI.
> This means you will only be able to hear the DTXpress
> when Sonar is ON. I f you want to use the DTX alone,
> you will need to turn Local ON and move the swith on
> the back back to it's original position.
> 
> you will need two midi cables.
> CABLE ONE: connect one end to the midi IN on the DTX
> and the other end to the midi OUT on you sound card
> (or midi box).
> CABLE TWO: connect one end to the midi OUT on the DTX
> and the other end to the midi IN on your sound card
> (or midi box).
> 
> Computer (SONOR)Im assuming that you have a sound card
> compatible with sonor.
> 
> You must assign the DTX to midi channels so that it
> can communicate with sonor through the computer.
> 
> There are 32 channels available 16 are A channels and
> 16 are B channels. Since I have only two midi
> instruments (the DTX and a Korg keyboard), I have
> assigned the 16 A channels to the Korg and the 16 B
> channels to the DTX.
> 
> TO assign channels do the following in SONOR
> 
> go to OPTIONS
> go to INSTRUMENTS
> select the channel(s) you want to use
> select the instrument you want to use (Yamamha drums).
> save the settings by checking the box.
> 
> If you don't see the yamahas in the instruments then
> you will need to import the settings to the instrument
> definitions in sonor. Refer to the manual for this.
> 
> NOW COMES THE PART THAT THE BOOK DOESN'T EXPLAIN
> WELL!!
> 
> To record the midi drums
> Select a midi track, not an audio track
> Choose a channel (use 10)
> Select an Instrument (the YAMAHA)
> Select an out (use MIDI OMNI)
> Select the R for record
> 
> You should be able to record and hear the  DTX.
> 
> 
> NOW YOU GET TO FIGURE OUT THE LATENCY SETTINGS!! GET
> OUT THE TYLONOL!
> 
> Let me know how it goes.
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
> http://sports.yahoo.com

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