DTXpressII rejection settings info, etc.
2002-10-06 by Mike Warren Autographs
Thanks to Walt for all of the below info - hopefully it will be of help to anyone needing more info on rejection settings - it helped me! On some new DTXpressII kits, there has been a problem when hitting snare and hihat pad at the same time with one or the other not responding properly. Change the Specific Reject factory setting on the HH to 0 if experiencing this problem. Note - the rejection settings may need to be further tweaked on particular systems to function properly. More info on rejection settings: The SPCRej is one that is used sparingly - usually just when you have two pads that just don't like each other. Of the 3 types available, self rejection is for ensuring that when you hit a pad, you only get one trigger from it. Then you have Rej which adjusts how much any pad should ignore vibrations from all of the rest of the pads. And SPCRej is how much a pad should ignore a specific neighbor. My rule of thumb is that I only use as much rejections as I need for any pad, as that does diminish the pad's responsiveness a little. Adjusting the rejection parameters is kind of a hit and miss thing. There are a lot of variables which makes it impossible to predict what the should be. The pads are most sensitive when the reject is set to zero, and least sensitive at 8, so I try to keep them as low as possible, without getting interference from other pads. On my rack I have a cymbal mounted near a tom, and if I hit the tom hard, sometimes I hear the cymbal fire. So on the cymbal I have raised the value of the specific rejection parameter on the cymbal, so it will ignore what it thinks are very light hits, if they occur at the same time that I hit the tom. So for the cymbal the SPCRej is something like SPCRej=3 From 5 (the trigger number for the tom). Now, if the cymbal fired when I hit two or more other pads, it might be better to raise the REJ instead, as that would tell the cymbal to ignore lite hits it sensed when they occurred at the same time I hit any other pad, instead of a specific one. Re: sensitivity. On the DTXpress that is mainly set though the pad type and switches on the back, along with the adjustment controls on the pad. The more sensitive a trigger is, the more faithfully it can follow what you're doing, but, it also is more likely to do other things too - double triggering or crosstalk. Double triggering is when you strike a pad once, but due to harmonic vibrations or whatever, two trigger signals are sensed. To control this tendency you can lower the sensitivity, or you can raise the self rejection - both would accomplish the same thing in different ways. Self Rej = 0 means that no prevention is being provided, while 8 is the max. Try doing a fast, soft roll with it set to zero, then crank it to 8 and see if you get dropped notes. Depending on how sensitive the pad is and how fast the roll is, you may or may not get dropped notes, but this will give you the idea. In this case with it set to 8, the module is trying to figure out if these soft fast notes are real or not, and it can be fooled sometimes. I think larger, mesh head pads and acoustic triggers are more likely to have double trigger issues than the rubber pads are, so usually I run in the 0 - 1 range for this parameter on rubber pads. Re: crosstalk. Again, the sensitivity of the pad can be so high that vibrations from other pads can cause it to trigger. To help prevent that you can use the rej and spcrej parameters to tame its over reactions. A setting of 0 means no prevention, while 8 means the module will only allow (what it thinks are) very direct, strong signals to be interpreted as a valid triggers. Tap a pad very lightly with the rej set to 0, just hard enough for it to trigger, then move the setting to 8 - in most cases if you keep the velocity of the hits steady, by the time you get to 8 at least some of the hits are most likely being rejected. For rubber pads I have had them set anywhere from 0 up to 4 or 5. On your DTXpressII kit it would not be uncommon to have to use SPCRec between the snare and HH - they are both on the same rack arm. Make sure all the clamps are tight also, as loose fittings can sometimes amplify vibrations along the tubes. On my kit I have the snare mounted on its own stand (I think I have somewhat recent pictures in the photos section of the group), so I no longer have any interaction problems between it and anything else, which allows me to get as much sensitivity as I can out of it. Thanks again Walt for all of this great info! - Mike __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com