Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

HI all,

Thanks pete for the answers, so...what do you think of covering the kick 
tower for less noise? Can DTX be played at the apartment environment? And 
the desibel...can you guys give some estimates(over 35 dB?).

Thanks,

Jarmo
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The kick tower noise is not huge - but it's noticeably
louder than the rest of the pads. Some of this noise
is created by the pedal you use also, so get a quiet,
well-oiled pedal. I would estimate the noise as being
equivalent to stamping your foot on a tiled floor.
It's really more of a click than a thud.
Covering it with a bit of mouse mat or similar rubber
substance will reduce the noise considerably, but may
reduce the sensitivity. If you play the kick drum
hard, this won't bother you - but if you play flams
and jazzy stuff, you might lose a bit.
Maybe try and "damp" the actual tower itself. Some of
the noise is generated by the resonance of the metal
in the tower and some by the movement of the tower as
the beater strikes it.
Let us know if you have any success.
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Jarmo,

I couldn't have said it better than Giles.

Don't sue me if I'm wrong, but Finland seems about as cold as Canada, and a
properly insulated wall should stop the sound adequately, depending of
course on how hard you pound the pads. Are you Charlie Watts or Keith Moon?

With my HH80 a lot of the sound comes from the fact that it's an enclosed
metal box. An old girlfriend of mine (look her up if you're in Heidelberg)
had a woodpecker at her cottage who used to hammer on their hollow steel
clothesline pole at 5am--same principle. I've thought about stuffing some
insulation in the kick tower. Bet that would help.

Most of my pedal's noise comes from the heel hinge, made sloppy by too many
bad Clash covers in the late 80's, so make sure your heel hinge is tight.

As for the beater, go for a soft felt one. I tried the mouse pad idea
(though I used hockey helmet foam) and it was okay, but since noise isn't as
big a deal for me I play raw.

Finally, why not try an experiment? Put an upside down rubber boot between
your knees (other suggestions are welcome) and do some heavy rolls while a
friend takes levels around your "flat".

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pete

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> From: Giles Hearn <giles_hearn@...>
> Reply-To: DTXpress@onelist.com
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:42:42 -0800 (PST)
> To: DTXpress@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Covering the kick pad
> 
> From: Giles Hearn <giles_hearn@...>
> 
> The kick tower noise is not huge - but it's noticeably
> louder than the rest of the pads. Some of this noise
> is created by the pedal you use also, so get a quiet,
> well-oiled pedal. I would estimate the noise as being
> equivalent to stamping your foot on a tiled floor.
> It's really more of a click than a thud.
> Covering it with a bit of mouse mat or similar rubber
> substance will reduce the noise considerably, but may
> reduce the sensitivity. If you play the kick drum
> hard, this won't bother you - but if you play flams
> and jazzy stuff, you might lose a bit.
> Maybe try and "damp" the actual tower itself. Some of
> the noise is generated by the resonance of the metal
> in the tower and some by the movement of the tower as
> the beater strikes it.
> Let us know if you have any success.

Terve Jarmo! :)

At 12:58 14.2.2000 -0500, pdk wrote:
>Don't sue me if I'm wrong, but Finland seems about as cold as Canada, and a
>properly insulated wall should stop the sound adequately, depending of
>course on how hard you pound the pads. Are you Charlie Watts or Keith Moon?

My opinion is that the biggest problem is the kick, and not so much the
decibels it makes but that the vibration from kicking goes into the floor,
which is somebody's ceiling and that somebody gets very annoeyd if
your time is not perfect :)

Maybe this sounds silly, but I'm actually planning to get a big enough
board of
plywood, which I can put on my bed and lay the kit on that, thus hopefully
minimizing if not eliminating the noise carried downstairs.

Lauri,

Sounds like a good way to lay down bed tracks.

Seriously, your argument makes sense. Essentially the floor and room below
become the world's biggest bass drum.

I play in the basement on concrete.

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pete

Hot Java, Cool Tunes: Visit Caf\ufffd Pierre www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/4024/

> From: "Mr. Lauri Kero" <luikero@...>
> Reply-To: DTXpress@onelist.com
> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:08:13 +0200
> To: DTXpress@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Covering the kick pad
> 
> From: "Mr. Lauri Kero" <luikero@...>
> 
> Terve Jarmo! :)
> 
> At 12:58 14.2.2000 -0500, pdk wrote:
>> Don't sue me if I'm wrong, but Finland seems about as cold as Canada, and a
>> properly insulated wall should stop the sound adequately, depending of
>> course on how hard you pound the pads. Are you Charlie Watts or Keith Moon?
> 
> My opinion is that the biggest problem is the kick, and not so much the
> decibels it makes but that the vibration from kicking goes into the floor,
> which is somebody's ceiling and that somebody gets very annoeyd if
> your time is not perfect :)
> 
> Maybe this sounds silly, but I'm actually planning to get a big enough
> board of
> plywood, which I can put on my bed and lay the kit on that, thus hopefully
> minimizing if not eliminating the noise carried downstairs.

Hello all,
I have had my kit for about 5 months now. I bought it to replace my
aging acoustic set and to allow me the ability to practice in my
apartment, which is impossible with an acoustic. Although I am lucky
enough to not have a downstairs neighbor becaue it is a townhouse
apartment my practice area is in an upstairs bedroom. My wife is
experiencing difficulty watching her favorite TV programs due to the
amount of noise the kick produces. Essentially, the bottom floor
becomes a huge rattling kick drum. Also, The actual unit itself hums
and rattles whenever I strike it. I don't know how much can be done
to reduce the transfer of the pedal hit through the floor because of
the way the unit is solid metal that sit directly on the floor. I am
more bothered by the loud vibration of the kick tower itself. I am
going to try putting some Dynamat sound deadening material on it to
reduce the vibrations. I think it will work, anyone tried it before?
It is the stuff they sell at car stereo shops to put in the trunks of
cars to reduce the vibrations from big rap-music-producing subwoofers.
You think the wife has a problem now justr wait till I stick a piece
of plywood on the bed!(not really an option)

Thanks,
Carson




--- In DTXpress@egroups.com, pdk <pdk@t...> wrote:
> Lauri,
>
> Sounds like a good way to lay down bed tracks.
>
> Seriously, your argument makes sense. Essentially the floor and
room below
> become the world's biggest bass drum.
>
> I play in the basement on concrete.
>
>
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===
>
> pete
>
> Hot Java, Cool Tunes: Visit Café Pierre
www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/4024/
>
> > From: "Mr. Lauri Kero" <luikero@f...>
> > Reply-To: DTXpress@onelist.com
> > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:08:13 +0200
> > To: DTXpress@onelist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Covering the kick pad
> >
> > From: "Mr. Lauri Kero" <luikero@f...>
> >
> > Terve Jarmo! :)
> >
> > At 12:58 14.2.2000 -0500, pdk wrote:
> >> Don't sue me if I'm wrong, but Finland seems about as cold as
Canada, and a
> >> properly insulated wall should stop the sound adequately,
depending of
> >> course on how hard you pound the pads. Are you Charlie Watts or
Keith Moon?
> >
> > My opinion is that the biggest problem is the kick, and not so
much the
> > decibels it makes but that the vibration from kicking goes into
the floor,
> > which is somebody's ceiling and that somebody gets very annoeyd if
> > your time is not perfect :)
> >
> > Maybe this sounds silly, but I'm actually planning to get a big
enough
> > board of
> > plywood, which I can put on my bed and lay the kit on that, thus
hopefully
> > minimizing if not eliminating the noise carried downstairs.