Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I have been doing my research, and I have decided that the DTXPress 
II is the kit for me.  I will be purchasing it in the next couple of 
weeks when my work bonus comes through.  

My question is this.......I want to add a few additional triggers to 
what is already included with the set.  The triggers I would like to 
add are:

TP80 Single Zone Pad for a 4th Tom
PCY10 Cymbal Bell Pad for ride type sounds or additional crash
BP80 Dual Trigger Bar Pad for additional percussion type things.

Is it possible to add these with the ports that exist?  I looks like 
I would have to double up the toms with stereo splitters, ad the 
cymbal bell pad to the now open tom spot and then connect the Bar to 
9/10.

Is this right?

Am I way off?

HELP!

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:46:49 -0000, you wrote:

>I have been doing my research, and I have decided that the DTXPress 
>II is the kit for me.  I will be purchasing it in the next couple of 
>weeks when my work bonus comes through.  
>
>My question is this.......I want to add a few additional triggers to 
>what is already included with the set.  The triggers I would like to 
>add are:
>
>TP80 Single Zone Pad for a 4th Tom
>PCY10 Cymbal Bell Pad for ride type sounds or additional crash
>BP80 Dual Trigger Bar Pad for additional percussion type things.
>
>Is it possible to add these with the ports that exist?  I looks like 
>I would have to double up the toms with stereo splitters, ad the 
>cymbal bell pad to the now open tom spot and then connect the Bar to 
>9/10.
>
>Is this right?
>
>Am I way off?

Yes :)

You can't divide the tom triggers by using stereo splitters.  You can
exchange stereo pads for the mono tom pads to give you rim sounds in
addition to the primary pad sound, but that's it.

You basically can add two more [mono] pads, or one true [dual zone]
pad.  Any more and you'll need to add a second trigger controller of
your choice.

The PCY10 [mono trigger] and BP80 [dual zone trigger] --think of it as
two mono triggers, would take up three inputs alone.  You only have
two, and they aren't stereo.

I added a TP60 to use as a ride, and the PCY10 bell trigger on top of
it.  In my opinion, the TP60 makes a much better ride.  So I have two
crashes and a ride with a bell.  It makes for a pretty balanced kit.
Some day I may add another controller, but for now, I'm content with
the setup.



____________________________

Jim

Well the answer is, nearly....

You will not be able to split the toms with stereo splitters.
If you really need to add an extra tom, you'll need to use one of the dual
channel ports (9/10).

The PCY10 bell trigger is best run from port 9, so much so that the default
kits already have a sound matched for it.
You get a cowbell sound defaulted to port 10, which is bloody annoying. I
use this as my extra tom input, and edit a tom sound to fit, then save it as
one of my user kits.

If you still need extra triggers, you will need to get a trigger-to-MIDI
converter. Again I use a Roland Octapad, as well as having it's own 8
triggers, it has additional trigger inputs (6 I think), and the Yamaha pads
work fine from them.

Hope this helps.

the Sonic Energy Authority - a sound investment

----- Original Message -----
From: clerkdanteca <clerkdanteca@...>
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:46 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Can I do this? Add-on Question


I have been doing my research, and I have decided that the DTXPress
II is the kit for me.  I will be purchasing it in the next couple of
weeks when my work bonus comes through.

My question is this.......I want to add a few additional triggers to
what is already included with the set.  The triggers I would like to
add are:

TP80 Single Zone Pad for a 4th Tom
PCY10 Cymbal Bell Pad for ride type sounds or additional crash
BP80 Dual Trigger Bar Pad for additional percussion type things.

Is it possible to add these with the ports that exist?  I looks like
I would have to double up the toms with stereo splitters, ad the
cymbal bell pad to the now open tom spot and then connect the Bar to
9/10.

Is this right?

Am I way off?

HELP!


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Thanks for the help, I think that is how I want to do things.  Can 
you tell me more about the Octapad, and what I will have to do to get 
it going?

Thanks


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "S-E-A" <sonicenergyauthority@c...> 
wrote:
> Well the answer is, nearly....
> 
> You will not be able to split the toms with stereo splitters.
> If you really need to add an extra tom, you'll need to use one of 
the dual
> channel ports (9/10).
> 
> The PCY10 bell trigger is best run from port 9, so much so that the 
default
> kits already have a sound matched for it.
> You get a cowbell sound defaulted to port 10, which is bloody 
annoying. I
> use this as my extra tom input, and edit a tom sound to fit, then 
save it as
> one of my user kits.
> 
> If you still need extra triggers, you will need to get a trigger-to-
MIDI
> converter. Again I use a Roland Octapad, as well as having it's own 
8
> triggers, it has additional trigger inputs (6 I think), and the 
Yamaha pads

> work fine from them.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> the Sonic Energy Authority - a sound investment
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clerkdanteca <clerkdanteca@y...>
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:46 PM
> Subject: [DTXpress] Can I do this? Add-on Question
> 
> 
> I have been doing my research, and I have decided that the DTXPress
> II is the kit for me.  I will be purchasing it in the next couple of
> weeks when my work bonus comes through.
> 
> My question is this.......I want to add a few additional triggers to
> what is already included with the set.  The triggers I would like to
> add are:
> 
> TP80 Single Zone Pad for a 4th Tom
> PCY10 Cymbal Bell Pad for ride type sounds or additional crash
> BP80 Dual Trigger Bar Pad for additional percussion type things.
> 
> Is it possible to add these with the ports that exist?  I looks like
> I would have to double up the toms with stereo splitters, ad the
> cymbal bell pad to the now open tom spot and then connect the Bar to
> 9/10.
> 
> Is this right?
> 
> Am I way off?
> 
> HELP!
> 
> 
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Well as drummers tend to be the victims of most jokes...

The Roland Octapad is designed to be idiot proof (then along comes a higher
class of idiot)

All you have to do is connect the MIDI out form the Octapad to the MIDI in
of the DTX, hit a pad, and you'll hear something on the DTX.
Roland pretty much standardised the drum map for keys to drums, and to make
them on MIDI channel 10.

Editing is reasonably easy, if you can understand the DTX, you'll have no
trouble with the Octapad. You have control over the MIDI channel, notes (you
can layer, or have different notes depending on how hard you hit), gate
time, sensitivity, pretty much all you would expect really. The trigger
inputs a treated just the same as pads.

If you can, try and find a Octapad with gum-type pads (SPD-11 I know has,
plus it has drum sounds built in). The original Octapad, and my version (II)
has a fairly hard surface to play on. It works, but it's a bit unforgiving
on the wrists.

If you need more info I'll provide it, I haven't got access to the Octapad
right this minute, but I can get it if you need more.

the Sonic Energy Authority - a sound investment

----- Original Message -----
From: clerkdanteca <clerkdanteca@...>
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:42 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Can I do this? Add-on Question


Thanks for the help, I think that is how I want to do things.  Can
you tell me more about the Octapad, and what I will have to do to get
it going?

Thanks

.

Just to round out the picture, you can also add inputs with Roland's 
discontinued PM-16 (16 inputs) and Kat's discontinued midiKITI (9 
inputs)--neither of which has pads or voices of its own, only 
trigger parameters. Both can be found for $100 or less these days on 
ebay, classifieds, etc. Roland also has the current TMC-6, which is 
geared to the company's latest technology, and Kat (or Alternate 
Mode) has a number of wonderful but fairly expensive options for 
adding pads and triggers. Drumbalaya recently became a Kat dealer.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "S-E-A" <sonicenergyauthority@c...> 
wrote:
> Well as drummers tend to be the victims of most jokes...
> 
> The Roland Octapad is designed to be idiot proof (then along comes 
a higher
> class of idiot)
> 
> All you have to do is connect the MIDI out form the Octapad to the 
MIDI in
> of the DTX, hit a pad, and you'll hear something on the DTX.
> Roland pretty much standardised the drum map for keys to drums, 
and to make
> them on MIDI channel 10.
> 
> Editing is reasonably easy, if you can understand the DTX, you'll 
have no
> trouble with the Octapad. You have control over the MIDI channel, 
notes (you
> can layer, or have different notes depending on how hard you hit), 
gate
> time, sensitivity, pretty much all you would expect really. The 
trigger
> inputs a treated just the same as pads.
> 
> If you can, try and find a Octapad with gum-type pads (SPD-11 I 
know has,
> plus it has drum sounds built in). The original Octapad, and my 
version (II)
> has a fairly hard surface to play on. It works, but it's a bit 
unforgiving
> on the wrists.
> 
> If you need more info I'll provide it, I haven't got access to the 
Octapad
> right this minute, but I can get it if you need more.
> 
> the Sonic Energy Authority - a sound investment
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clerkdanteca <clerkdanteca@y...>
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:42 PM
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Can I do this? Add-on Question
> 
> 
> Thanks for the help, I think that is how I want to do things.  Can
> you tell me more about the Octapad, and what I will have to do to 
get

> it going?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> .