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cannot play many note too close

cannot play many note too close

2003-01-23 by dopmi <mapod@wanadoo.fr>

Hi , i have one of my cymbal pad ( Yamaha stereo ) it's a second pad 
and on this one the ride surface is for a splash , the problem is 
that i have to wait 2 or 3 seconde before i can play a second note on 
this surface , i first think it was because i use a long decay for 
this splash but even if i reduce decay and make it to 0 the problem 
still here .... 
one thing i have to say is that for now as i don't yet have a enough 
stereo cable for this new streo cymbal pad i use the stereo cable of 
the snare pad and snare pad entry too for this cymbal pad 
anybody can help me ?
Thank's
Stephane

Re: cannot play many note too close

2003-01-23 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

Hi Stephane,

I'm not sure that I understand your connection from the pad to the 
module. Ordinarily, I'd recommend that you lower the cymbal's self-
rejection number to see if that helps. But how can you be using the 
same stereo cable for both the snare and the cymbal? Are you using a 
splitter from the snare and cymbal into a single stereo cable that 
attaches to input 2 so that you can use them at the same time? If 
so, it simply won't work, whether your splitter is stereo, mono, or 
some combination of the two. How can you even program input 2 to 
receive independent snare and cymbal sounds--by rim and body or 
voice 1 and voice 2? You should be getting a mix of snare and cymbal 
sounds on each pad regardless. Get a new cable and plug the cymbal 
into 9/10. Understand, however, that you will not get the rim sound 
on it, because input 9/10 only picks up one mono pad, two mono pads, 
or one dual-mono pad. I hope I haven't completely missed your point.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dopmi <mapod@w...>" <mapod@w...> 
wrote:
> Hi , i have one of my cymbal pad ( Yamaha stereo ) it's a second 
pad 
> and on this one the ride surface is for a splash , the problem is 
> that i have to wait 2 or 3 seconde before i can play a second note 
on 
> this surface , i first think it was because i use a long decay for 
> this splash but even if i reduce decay and make it to 0 the 
problem 
> still here .... 
> one thing i have to say is that for now as i don't yet have a 
enough 
> stereo cable for this new streo cymbal pad i use the stereo cable 
of 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> the snare pad and snare pad entry too for this cymbal pad 
> anybody can help me ?
> Thank's
> Stephane

Re: cannot play many note too close

2003-01-24 by dopmi <mapod@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Ed , no i had just used the strero cable of my snare for my stereo 
cymbal pad until i buy another stereo cable ( the mono cable was on 
snare ) but forget about this cable mix cause to be sure that it's 
not a cable problem i go back to original cable , but problem still 
here , i have to wait 2 or 3 sec before i can play a second note on 
my snare pad :-((( 
what can do that thing ?
Stephane

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Stephane,
> 
> I'm not sure that I understand your connection from the pad to the 
> module. Ordinarily, I'd recommend that you lower the cymbal's self-
> rejection number to see if that helps. But how can you be using the 
> same stereo cable for both the snare and the cymbal? Are you using 
a 
> splitter from the snare and cymbal into a single stereo cable that 
> attaches to input 2 so that you can use them at the same time? If 
> so, it simply won't work, whether your splitter is stereo, mono, or 
> some combination of the two. How can you even program input 2 to 
> receive independent snare and cymbal sounds--by rim and body or 
> voice 1 and voice 2? You should be getting a mix of snare and 
cymbal 
> sounds on each pad regardless. Get a new cable and plug the cymbal 
> into 9/10. Understand, however, that you will not get the rim sound 
> on it, because input 9/10 only picks up one mono pad, two mono 
pads, 
> or one dual-mono pad. I hope I haven't completely missed your point.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dopmi <mapod@w...>" <mapod@w...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi , i have one of my cymbal pad ( Yamaha stereo ) it's a second 
> pad 
> > and on this one the ride surface is for a splash , the problem is 
> > that i have to wait 2 or 3 seconde before i can play a second 
note 
> on 
> > this surface , i first think it was because i use a long decay 
for 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > this splash but even if i reduce decay and make it to 0 the 
> problem 
> > still here .... 
> > one thing i have to say is that for now as i don't yet have a 
> enough 
> > stereo cable for this new streo cymbal pad i use the stereo cable 
> of 
> > the snare pad and snare pad entry too for this cymbal pad 
> > anybody can help me ?
> > Thank's
> > Stephane

Re: cannot play many note too close

2003-01-24 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

Hi Stephane,

Did you try lowering the self-rejection number? That's the obvious 
villain if you can't get the cymbal to work for a couple of seconds 
after you hit it. You could also try raising the gain and lowering 
the min. velocity. 

Your recent message said something about the snare, rather than the 
cymbal, as the pad that mutes. If it's the snare that won't work 
after you hit the cymbal, then the specific rejection of the cymbal 
from the snare is set too high; the snare has no room to operate 
when both are hit together. Also, you didn't, by any chance, mess 
with the gate time of the input while you were toying with MIDI, did 
you? If I'm missing the point again, do you want to try sending me a 
new message in simple French at my Yahoo address? I can use the 
practice, though I can't guarantee the results.

Ed



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dopmi <mapod@w...>" <mapod@w...> 
wrote:
> Hi Ed , no i had just used the strero cable of my snare for my 
stereo 
> cymbal pad until i buy another stereo cable ( the mono cable was 
on 
> snare ) but forget about this cable mix cause to be sure that it's 
> not a cable problem i go back to original cable , but problem 
still 
> here , i have to wait 2 or 3 sec before i can play a second note 
on 
> my snare pad :-((( 
> what can do that thing ?
> Stephane
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Stephane,
> > 
> > I'm not sure that I understand your connection from the pad to 
the 
> > module. Ordinarily, I'd recommend that you lower the cymbal's 
self-
> > rejection number to see if that helps. But how can you be using 
the 
> > same stereo cable for both the snare and the cymbal? Are you 
using 
> a 
> > splitter from the snare and cymbal into a single stereo cable 
that 
> > attaches to input 2 so that you can use them at the same time? 
If 
> > so, it simply won't work, whether your splitter is stereo, mono, 
or 
> > some combination of the two. How can you even program input 2 to 
> > receive independent snare and cymbal sounds--by rim and body or 
> > voice 1 and voice 2? You should be getting a mix of snare and 
> cymbal 
> > sounds on each pad regardless. Get a new cable and plug the 
cymbal 
> > into 9/10. Understand, however, that you will not get the rim 
sound 
> > on it, because input 9/10 only picks up one mono pad, two mono 
> pads, 
> > or one dual-mono pad. I hope I haven't completely missed your 
point.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dopmi <mapod@w...>" 
<mapod@w...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi , i have one of my cymbal pad ( Yamaha stereo ) it's a 
second 
> > pad 
> > > and on this one the ride surface is for a splash , the problem 
is 
> > > that i have to wait 2 or 3 seconde before i can play a second 
> note 
> > on 
> > > this surface , i first think it was because i use a long decay 
> for 
> > > this splash but even if i reduce decay and make it to 0 the 
> > problem 
> > > still here .... 
> > > one thing i have to say is that for now as i don't yet have a 
> > enough 
> > > stereo cable for this new streo cymbal pad i use the stereo 
cable 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > of 
> > > the snare pad and snare pad entry too for this cymbal pad 
> > > anybody can help me ?
> > > Thank's
> > > Stephane

Re: cannot play many note too close

2003-01-24 by dopmi <mapod@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Ed , yep it was self rejection the problem ... it was set to 9 
because sometime when i hit on the border of the cymbal pad i have 
the sound of the center ( center have splash and border crash sound ) 
ok i'll try another seeting so 
Thank's 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Stephane,
> 
> Did you try lowering the self-rejection number? That's the obvious 
> villain if you can't get the cymbal to work for a couple of seconds 
> after you hit it. You could also try raising the gain and lowering 
> the min. velocity. 
> 
> Your recent message said something about the snare, rather than the 
> cymbal, as the pad that mutes. If it's the snare that won't work 
> after you hit the cymbal, then the specific rejection of the cymbal 
> from the snare is set too high; the snare has no room to operate 
> when both are hit together. Also, you didn't, by any chance, mess 
> with the gate time of the input while you were toying with MIDI, 
did 
> you? If I'm missing the point again, do you want to try sending me 
a 
> new message in simple French at my Yahoo address? I can use the 
> practice, though I can't guarantee the results.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dopmi <mapod@w...>" <mapod@w...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi Ed , no i had just used the strero cable of my snare for my 
> stereo 
> > cymbal pad until i buy another stereo cable ( the mono cable was 
> on 
> > snare ) but forget about this cable mix cause to be sure that 
it's 
> > not a cable problem i go back to original cable , but problem 
> still 
> > here , i have to wait 2 or 3 sec before i can play a second note 
> on 
> > my snare pad :-((( 
> > what can do that thing ?
> > Stephane
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Stephane,
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure that I understand your connection from the pad to 
> the 
> > > module. Ordinarily, I'd recommend that you lower the cymbal's 
> self-
> > > rejection number to see if that helps. But how can you be using 
> the 
> > > same stereo cable for both the snare and the cymbal? Are you 
> using 
> > a 
> > > splitter from the snare and cymbal into a single stereo cable 
> that 
> > > attaches to input 2 so that you can use them at the same time? 
> If 
> > > so, it simply won't work, whether your splitter is stereo, 
mono, 
> or 
> > > some combination of the two. How can you even program input 2 
to 
> > > receive independent snare and cymbal sounds--by rim and body or 
> > > voice 1 and voice 2? You should be getting a mix of snare and 
> > cymbal 
> > > sounds on each pad regardless. Get a new cable and plug the 
> cymbal 
> > > into 9/10. Understand, however, that you will not get the rim 
> sound 
> > > on it, because input 9/10 only picks up one mono pad, two mono 
> > pads, 
> > > or one dual-mono pad. I hope I haven't completely missed your 
> point.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dopmi <mapod@w...>" 
> <mapod@w...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi , i have one of my cymbal pad ( Yamaha stereo ) it's a 
> second 
> > > pad 
> > > > and on this one the ride surface is for a splash , the 
problem 
> is 
> > > > that i have to wait 2 or 3 seconde before i can play a second 
> > note 
> > > on 
> > > > this surface , i first think it was because i use a long 
decay 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > for 
> > > > this splash but even if i reduce decay and make it to 0 the 
> > > problem 
> > > > still here .... 
> > > > one thing i have to say is that for now as i don't yet have a 
> > > enough 
> > > > stereo cable for this new streo cymbal pad i use the stereo 
> cable 
> > > of 
> > > > the snare pad and snare pad entry too for this cymbal pad 
> > > > anybody can help me ?
> > > > Thank's
> > > > Stephane

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