Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I am talking about single rolls on the snare.... i have always been 
doing them with only downstrokes.... i found out yesterday about 
upstroke / downstroke technique. In other words one hit when the 
stick goes down and one hit before it goes up.

Is it harder to perform on rubber than a actual drum?
 
I guess that tecnique is the only way to get blistering fast single 
rolls. 

And another question conserning the kicktower... ive heard that its 
harder to get fast rolls on them than a usual bass drum because 
there is not as much rebound from the kicktower. Have i heard right?

Thanks

On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:07:40 -0000, you wrote:

>I am talking about single rolls on the snare.... i have always been 
>doing them with only downstrokes.... i found out yesterday about 
>upstroke / downstroke technique. In other words one hit when the 
>stick goes down and one hit before it goes up.

Double stroke roll?

>Is it harder to perform on rubber than a actual drum?

Feels about the same to me.
 
>I guess that tecnique is the only way to get blistering fast single 
>rolls. 
>
>And another question conserning the kicktower... ive heard that its 
>harder to get fast rolls on them than a usual bass drum because 
>there is not as much rebound from the kicktower. Have i heard right?

Rolls on the kick drum?  With one kick?

Spring adjustment has a lot to do with how well your pedal rebounds,
and the quality of the pedal as well.



____________________________

Jim

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:07:40 -0000, you wrote:
> 
> >I am talking about single rolls on the snare.... i have always 
been 
> >doing them with only downstrokes.... i found out yesterday about 
> >upstroke / downstroke technique. In other words one hit when the 
> >stick goes down and one hit before it goes up.
> 
> Double stroke roll?
> 
> >Is it harder to perform on rubber than a actual drum?
> 
> Feels about the same to me.
>  
> >I guess that tecnique is the only way to get blistering fast 
single 
> >rolls. 
> >
> >And another question conserning the kicktower... ive heard that 
its 
> >harder to get fast rolls on them than a usual bass drum because 
> >there is not as much rebound from the kicktower. Have i heard 
right?
> 
> Rolls on the kick drum?  With one kick?
> 
> Spring adjustment has a lot to do with how well your pedal rebounds,
> and the quality of the pedal as well.
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> Jim


Hi, how the stick can hit the snare when she goes up ? I did'nt 
understood this part of your post... Sorry, i'm interested to hear 
about this rolls technique.

Thks,

ASHMEU

Hi thanks for your reply

Double stroke roll?

No single stroke roll as described in this:
http://www.nextcraft.com/hot_topic_pdf_files/HotTopic_021901_Grip.pdf

Rolls on the kick drum?  With one kick?

With a double pedal

Anyway it was a while since i played on real drums so i just thought 
maybe its harder to play on rubber or vice versa.

Andreas






--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:07:40 -0000, you wrote:
> 
> >I am talking about single rolls on the snare.... i have always 
been 
> >doing them with only downstrokes.... i found out yesterday about 
> >upstroke / downstroke technique. In other words one hit when the 
> >stick goes down and one hit before it goes up.
> 
> Double stroke roll?
> 
> >Is it harder to perform on rubber than a actual drum?
> 
> Feels about the same to me.
>  
> >I guess that tecnique is the only way to get blistering fast 
single 
> >rolls. 
> >
> >And another question conserning the kicktower... ive heard that 
its 
> >harder to get fast rolls on them than a usual bass drum because 
> >there is not as much rebound from the kicktower. Have i heard 
right?
> 
> Rolls on the kick drum?  With one kick?
> 
> Spring adjustment has a lot to do with how well your pedal 
rebounds,

> and the quality of the pedal as well.
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> Jim

Hi 
Heres a animation on how it works... 
http://www.nextcraft.com/dflitems/Single_Stroke_00.mov
Make sure you set the thing on repeat otherwise you will only see 2 
strokes.
in my last post i had a link to a text describing it.
Its actually striking the drum down and before you lift your arm 
strike it again... its very well described in that text.
But i guess most of you already using that technique :=)  but for me 
it was a real eye opener !

Andreas


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ashmeu24" <info@l...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:07:40 -0000, you wrote:
> > 
> > >I am talking about single rolls on the snare.... i have always 
> been 
> > >doing them with only downstrokes.... i found out yesterday 
about 
> > >upstroke / downstroke technique. In other words one hit when 
the 
> > >stick goes down and one hit before it goes up.
> > 
> > Double stroke roll?
> > 
> > >Is it harder to perform on rubber than a actual drum?
> > 
> > Feels about the same to me.
> >  
> > >I guess that tecnique is the only way to get blistering fast 
> single 
> > >rolls. 
> > >
> > >And another question conserning the kicktower... ive heard that 
> its 
> > >harder to get fast rolls on them than a usual bass drum because 
> > >there is not as much rebound from the kicktower. Have i heard 
> right?
> > 
> > Rolls on the kick drum?  With one kick?
> > 
> > Spring adjustment has a lot to do with how well your pedal 
rebounds,

> > and the quality of the pedal as well.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________________________
> > 
> > Jim
> 
> 
> Hi, how the stick can hit the snare when she goes up ? I did'nt 
> understood this part of your post... Sorry, i'm interested to hear 
> about this rolls technique.
> 
> Thks,
> 
> ASHMEU

I find the rubber pads to be very responsive as far as getting good 
bounce out my sticks.  good hand technique, a loose grip, and the 
right sticks go along ways into helping produce multiple hits with 
one stick during one stroke.

As far as the bass tower is concerned, i found the i was 
inadvertantly getting multiple hits on the tower without even trying 
until i adjusted the tension on my pedal, and adjusted the 
sensitivity of the tower itself.  again, good technique and a loose, 
relaxed foot go along way towards getting the kind of responses your 
looking for.

Everyone's style will be different, and there is no right or wrong 
way to acheive what your looking for, it's just what is comfortable 
for you.

Brett


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "leffelejon" <gadda@k...> wrote:

> I am talking about single rolls on the snare.... i have always been 
> doing them with only downstrokes.... i found out yesterday about 
> upstroke / downstroke technique. In other words one hit when the 
> stick goes down and one hit before it goes up.
> 
> Is it harder to perform on rubber than a actual drum?
>  
> I guess that tecnique is the only way to get blistering fast single 
> rolls. 
> 
> And another question conserning the kicktower... ive heard that its 
> harder to get fast rolls on them than a usual bass drum because 
> there is not as much rebound from the kicktower. Have i heard right?
> 
> Thanks

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "leffelejon" <gadda@k...> wrote:
> ... i found out yesterday about 
> upstroke / downstroke technique. In other words
> one hit when the stick goes down and one hit
> before it goes up.

I've looked at the video and read the words, and I have a feeling 
this is either the same as (or closely related to) the Moeller 
technique (or "two for one" as Dave Weckl calls it). This is where 
you get multiple (triplets or even sixteenths) on a single "wrist" 
stroke. There's a couple of good videos of Jim Chapin doing this on 
Dom Famularo's "cyberlesson" site on VicFirth.com here:

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/drumset/domfamularo.html

Given that the technique doesn't rely on rebound, it should make no 
difference as to how well this works on real heads, mesh, or gum 
rubber.

-- S