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Re: Sonar and DTXpress II - instrument definition

Re: Sonar and DTXpress II - instrument definition

2003-03-09 by Stephen Beaumont

Bill, feel free to try the attached sysEx file which is what I to
set everything in the DTXpress. I made the file by setting all the
parameters in DTX then dumping it to Sonar and saving it as a file.
Then I load the file using the "load from file" option in the Sonar
SysEx view and send the info back to the DTX by pressing the "send
bank" arrow. I usually then set the sysEx to load automatically each
time I open the file - there in an option in the SysEx section
somewhere to let you do this.

Of course the parameters I set may not be exactly what you need, but
I know you have to have the local MIDI off, for example, and also
set the DTX to receive SysEx. You can make your own sysEX in the same fashion should this file not do what you need. Anyway, this works on my setup, so good luck!

I checked out your singles on nowhereradio.com. Some nice sounding
work there :) My interest is composing background music mainly for
interactive CD-ROMs. Nothing posted as yet, but some day I may get
around to it. I am a keyboard player, not a drummer, but hated
trying to make the drum parts sound realistic by inputting from a
keyboard, or worse yet, using pre made loops. Have only had the DTX
a few months and love playing with it. I need to improve my
technique a lot, however and it annoys me I have had to spend so
much time on getting it to actually work....anyway, good luck with
the SysEx. Let me know how it goes.

Stephen

Re: Sonar and DTXpress II - instrument definition

2003-03-10 by wfaraoni

Stephen; I guess Im getting kind of old for the technology.
  As you heard with the songs I have posted I am constantly 
struggling with getting better sound and tone recorded . I've been 
using Sonar for about a year and I thought I had it down pretty well 
until this Midi experience. I consider myself to be pretty computer 
savy and make my living in electronics dealing with computer systems 
as well as computer operated equipment. believe it or not! I am also 
one of those who is driven to succeed when I cant get something to 
work, but I have to say that MIDI is the most poorly documented and 
obviously difficult to grasp areas I have have ever encountered. 
  The explainations are a jumble of engineering terms and not a how 
to, so its difficult to get the big picture.

I spent another 3 grueling hours today trying to get these things 
configured and even with your assistance and files,having almost the 
same system,Im still getting bad snare and kick sounds in most patch 
kits but not all as I did before.(only general midi worked before)

 I know that this is matter of one or two settings somewhere but Im 
exausted. theres got to be 1000 places to make a mistake in the 
communication configuration. Im going to try to read through all the 
midi documentation in both sonar and the dtxpress in the next week 
or so and maybe Ill come up with the answer.Perhaps Ill call the so 
called midi guru at yamaha again. Once I get it working we can try 
to improve it and have a drum set that we can record to midi in 
sonar so we can manipulate it to sound like good drummers with good 
drum setups :) ahhh that would be nice.

  Actually I bought this setup thinking that it would be compatible 
and all I had to do follow the instructions. Its hard to believe 
that yamaha does not address this issue and provide decent 
documentation so that these midi drums can be utilized with the most 
popular recording software.  There is a lot of power in the unit but 
it is wasted if its not usable by the end user.

Then again theres not a lot of people who are giving any advice for 
the dtx as far as midi goes.

Once again I applaud your conquering the beast for yourself, That is 
no small accomplishment. There is probably some genius 17 year old 
out there that can do everything we need in a jiffy but how can I 
find him?

I may post a step by step of every one of the involved settings when 
I recover from my mental hernia :)
perhaps then you can recognize if we are set up the same.

Peace and prosperity to you
Bill

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Beaumont" <SJB@I...> wrote:
> Bill, feel free to try the attached sysEx file which is what I to 
> set everything in the DTXpress. I made the file by setting all the 
> parameters in DTX then dumping it to Sonar and saving it as a 
file. 
> Then I load the file using the "load from file" option in the 
Sonar 
> SysEx view and send the info back to the DTX by pressing the "send 
> bank" arrow. I usually then set the sysEx to load automatically 
each 
> time I open the file - there in an option in the SysEx section 
> somewhere to let you do this.
> 
> Of course the parameters I set may not be exactly what you need, 
but 
> I know you have to have the local MIDI off, for example, and also 
> set the DTX to receive SysEx. You can make your own sysEX in the 
same fashion should this file not do what you need. Anyway, this 
works on my setup, so good luck!
> 
> I checked out your singles on nowhereradio.com. Some nice sounding 
> work there :) My interest is composing background music mainly for 
> interactive CD-ROMs. Nothing posted as yet, but some day I may get 
> around to it. I am a keyboard player, not a drummer, but hated 
> trying to make the drum parts sound realistic by inputting from a 
> keyboard, or worse yet, using pre made loops. Have only had the 
DTX 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> a few months and love playing with it. I need to improve my 
> technique a lot, however and it annoys me I have had to spend so 
> much time on getting it to actually work....anyway, good luck with 
> the SysEx. Let me know how it goes.
> 
> Stephen

Re: Sonar and DTXpress II - instrument definition

2003-03-10 by stev1ebb

I hear you Bill and feel your pain! There is more than a little bit 
of luck involved in all of this...I am certainly no guru! 

One thought however....I remember that I had to put my DTX back to 
the factory settings before I could get the parameters to work. Of 
course you loose any user kits and personal parameter changes if you 
do that, but it worked for me and since my primary purpose is to 
record in Sonar it was not the end of the world. You can do that by 
going into utilities and paging through until you see something 
like "reset factory settings" and then pressing enter. It asks for 
confirmation before execurting. Then if you transmit my sysEx file 
from within Sonar as I described I am pretty sure it will work.

Of course if you have a lot of user kits etc., you can save them to 
sysEx and then reload them later.....but that's a whole other story!

Failing that, we'll all keep our eyes open for a 17 year old kid to 
fix it for us with a blink of the eye. Don't you just hate computers!!

Happy sysExing....Stephen

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wfaraoni" <wfaraoni@y...> wrote:
> Stephen; I guess Im getting kind of old for the technology.
>   As you heard with the songs I have posted I am constantly 
> struggling with getting better sound and tone recorded . I've been 
> using Sonar for about a year and I thought I had it down pretty 
well 
> until this Midi experience. I consider myself to be pretty computer 
> savy and make my living in electronics dealing with computer 
systems 
> as well as computer operated equipment. believe it or not! I am 
also 
> one of those who is driven to succeed when I cant get something to 
> work, but I have to say that MIDI is the most poorly documented and 
> obviously difficult to grasp areas I have have ever encountered. 
>   The explainations are a jumble of engineering terms and not a how 
> to, so its difficult to get the big picture.
> 
> I spent another 3 grueling hours today trying to get these things 
> configured and even with your assistance and files,having almost 
the 
> same system,Im still getting bad snare and kick sounds in most 
patch 
> kits but not all as I did before.(only general midi worked before)
> 
>  I know that this is matter of one or two settings somewhere but Im 
> exausted. theres got to be 1000 places to make a mistake in the 
> communication configuration. Im going to try to read through all 
the 
> midi documentation in both sonar and the dtxpress in the next week 
> or so and maybe Ill come up with the answer.Perhaps Ill call the so 
> called midi guru at yamaha again. Once I get it working we can try 
> to improve it and have a drum set that we can record to midi in 
> sonar so we can manipulate it to sound like good drummers with good 
> drum setups :) ahhh that would be nice.
> 
>   Actually I bought this setup thinking that it would be compatible 
> and all I had to do follow the instructions. Its hard to believe 
> that yamaha does not address this issue and provide decent 
> documentation so that these midi drums can be utilized with the 
most 
> popular recording software.  There is a lot of power in the unit 
but 
> it is wasted if its not usable by the end user.
> 
> Then again theres not a lot of people who are giving any advice for 
> the dtx as far as midi goes.
> 
> Once again I applaud your conquering the beast for yourself, That 
is 
> no small accomplishment. There is probably some genius 17 year old 
> out there that can do everything we need in a jiffy but how can I 
> find him?
> 
> I may post a step by step of every one of the involved settings 
when 
> I recover from my mental hernia :)
> perhaps then you can recognize if we are set up the same.
> 
> Peace and prosperity to you
> Bill
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Beaumont" <SJB@I...> 
wrote:
> > Bill, feel free to try the attached sysEx file which is what I to 
> > set everything in the DTXpress. I made the file by setting all 
the 
> > parameters in DTX then dumping it to Sonar and saving it as a 
> file. 
> > Then I load the file using the "load from file" option in the 
> Sonar 
> > SysEx view and send the info back to the DTX by pressing 
the "send 
> > bank" arrow. I usually then set the sysEx to load automatically 
> each 
> > time I open the file - there in an option in the SysEx section 
> > somewhere to let you do this.
> > 
> > Of course the parameters I set may not be exactly what you need, 
> but 
> > I know you have to have the local MIDI off, for example, and also 
> > set the DTX to receive SysEx. You can make your own sysEX in the 
> same fashion should this file not do what you need. Anyway, this 
> works on my setup, so good luck!
> > 
> > I checked out your singles on nowhereradio.com. Some nice 
sounding 
> > work there :) My interest is composing background music mainly 
for 
> > interactive CD-ROMs. Nothing posted as yet, but some day I may 
get 
> > around to it. I am a keyboard player, not a drummer, but hated 
> > trying to make the drum parts sound realistic by inputting from a 
> > keyboard, or worse yet, using pre made loops. Have only had the 
> DTX 
> > a few months and love playing with it. I need to improve my 
> > technique a lot, however and it annoys me I have had to spend so 
> > much time on getting it to actually work....anyway, good luck 
with 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > the SysEx. Let me know how it goes.
> > 
> > Stephen

Re: Sonar and DTXpress II - instrument definition

2003-03-10 by wfaraoni

Stephen; Yeah tried that reset earlier. Im going to live with it as 
is for a while. The thing is that im going to be doing the soundfont 
trick to it anyway, so as long as I can recognize which pad Im 
setting a sound for Ill be alright. Hey if I get any good I can 
probably use the analog out. 

If you listened to the song, "weather channel local forecast" over 
at nowhereradio, I think its a good example of what Iv'e been able 
to do with soundfonts from a DR5 drum machine. The problem with the 
drum machine is that you tend to get very automated and repetative.

Peace and prosperity to You
Bill

PS If I get it figured out Ill post it!


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "stev1ebb" <SJB@I...> wrote:
> I hear you Bill and feel your pain! There is more than a little 
bit 
> of luck involved in all of this...I am certainly no guru! 
> 
> One thought however....I remember that I had to put my DTX back to 
> the factory settings before I could get the parameters to work. Of 
> course you loose any user kits and personal parameter changes if 
you 
> do that, but it worked for me and since my primary purpose is to 
> record in Sonar it was not the end of the world. You can do that 
by 
> going into utilities and paging through until you see something 
> like "reset factory settings" and then pressing enter. It asks for 
> confirmation before execurting. Then if you transmit my sysEx file 
> from within Sonar as I described I am pretty sure it will work.
> 
> Of course if you have a lot of user kits etc., you can save them 
to 
> sysEx and then reload them later.....but that's a whole other 
story!
> 
> Failing that, we'll all keep our eyes open for a 17 year old kid 
to 
> fix it for us with a blink of the eye. Don't you just hate 
computers!!
> 
> Happy sysExing....Stephen
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wfaraoni" <wfaraoni@y...> wrote:
> > Stephen; I guess Im getting kind of old for the technology.
> >   As you heard with the songs I have posted I am constantly 
> > struggling with getting better sound and tone recorded . I've 
been 
> > using Sonar for about a year and I thought I had it down pretty 
> well 
> > until this Midi experience. I consider myself to be pretty 
computer 
> > savy and make my living in electronics dealing with computer 
> systems 
> > as well as computer operated equipment. believe it or not! I am 
> also 
> > one of those who is driven to succeed when I cant get something 
to 
> > work, but I have to say that MIDI is the most poorly documented 
and 
> > obviously difficult to grasp areas I have have ever encountered. 
> >   The explainations are a jumble of engineering terms and not a 
how 
> > to, so its difficult to get the big picture.
> > 
> > I spent another 3 grueling hours today trying to get these 
things 
> > configured and even with your assistance and files,having almost 
> the 
> > same system,Im still getting bad snare and kick sounds in most 
> patch 
> > kits but not all as I did before.(only general midi worked 
before)
> > 
> >  I know that this is matter of one or two settings somewhere but 
Im 
> > exausted. theres got to be 1000 places to make a mistake in the 
> > communication configuration. Im going to try to read through all 
> the 
> > midi documentation in both sonar and the dtxpress in the next 
week 
> > or so and maybe Ill come up with the answer.Perhaps Ill call the 
so 
> > called midi guru at yamaha again. Once I get it working we can 
try 
> > to improve it and have a drum set that we can record to midi in 
> > sonar so we can manipulate it to sound like good drummers with 
good 
> > drum setups :) ahhh that would be nice.
> > 
> >   Actually I bought this setup thinking that it would be 
compatible 
> > and all I had to do follow the instructions. Its hard to believe 
> > that yamaha does not address this issue and provide decent 
> > documentation so that these midi drums can be utilized with the 
> most 
> > popular recording software.  There is a lot of power in the unit 
> but 
> > it is wasted if its not usable by the end user.
> > 
> > Then again theres not a lot of people who are giving any advice 
for 
> > the dtx as far as midi goes.
> > 
> > Once again I applaud your conquering the beast for yourself, 
That 
> is 
> > no small accomplishment. There is probably some genius 17 year 
old 
> > out there that can do everything we need in a jiffy but how can 
I 
> > find him?
> > 
> > I may post a step by step of every one of the involved settings 
> when 
> > I recover from my mental hernia :)
> > perhaps then you can recognize if we are set up the same.
> > 
> > Peace and prosperity to you
> > Bill
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Beaumont" <SJB@I...> 
> wrote:
> > > Bill, feel free to try the attached sysEx file which is what I 
to 
> > > set everything in the DTXpress. I made the file by setting all 
> the 
> > > parameters in DTX then dumping it to Sonar and saving it as a 
> > file. 
> > > Then I load the file using the "load from file" option in the 
> > Sonar 
> > > SysEx view and send the info back to the DTX by pressing 
> the "send 
> > > bank" arrow. I usually then set the sysEx to load 
automatically 
> > each 
> > > time I open the file - there in an option in the SysEx section 
> > > somewhere to let you do this.
> > > 
> > > Of course the parameters I set may not be exactly what you 
need, 
> > but 
> > > I know you have to have the local MIDI off, for example, and 
also 
> > > set the DTX to receive SysEx. You can make your own sysEX in 
the 
> > same fashion should this file not do what you need. Anyway, this 
> > works on my setup, so good luck!
> > > 
> > > I checked out your singles on nowhereradio.com. Some nice 
> sounding 
> > > work there :) My interest is composing background music mainly 
> for 
> > > interactive CD-ROMs. Nothing posted as yet, but some day I may 
> get 
> > > around to it. I am a keyboard player, not a drummer, but hated 
> > > trying to make the drum parts sound realistic by inputting 
from a 
> > > keyboard, or worse yet, using pre made loops. Have only had 
the 
> > DTX 
> > > a few months and love playing with it. I need to improve my 
> > > technique a lot, however and it annoys me I have had to spend 
so 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > much time on getting it to actually work....anyway, good luck 
> with 
> > > the SysEx. Let me know how it goes.
> > > 
> > > Stephen

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