Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Thank you, Vernon Graner. I saw your reply to a new DTXpress owner, and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out your very good DTXpressions.com web site. Those tips & tricks are very useful. I am particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, about crossfading the bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part of the ride cymbal pad (the more responsive part) will get more of a bell sound. I'll try that out and let you know how I get on.

There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some pointers by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your efforts, guys!).

And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, so that when you change to that song, the kit changes also? The factory-set songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a way. Ed suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit assignments in the Utilities menu. So I went in and changed things around, but it made no difference. When I changed from one song I had programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM std 1. Am I missing out a step?

Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the choke function on the ride cymbal rim? And sometimes when I hit the ride cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to reduce the crosstalk between them?

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The pad-rim relationship is very 'touchy-feely.' You'll have to get 
used to it. But the only way I know to get rid of the choke function, 
is to assign a different pad type to the pad.Choose one that does not 
support the choke function.I use Misc.1 with great results.(push the 
'trigger' button, select pad the type here)
Scott 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new DTXpress owner, 
and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out your very good 
DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are very useful.  I am 
particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, about crossfading the 
bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part of the ride cymbal pad 
(the more responsive part) will get more of a bell sound.  I'll try 
that out and let you know how I get on.
> 
> There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some pointers 
by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your efforts, 
guys!). 
> 
> And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, so that 
when you change to that song, the kit changes also?  The factory-set 
songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a way.  Ed 
suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit assignments in 
the Utilities menu.  So I went in and changed things around, but it 
made no difference.  When I changed from one song I had programmed to 
another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM std 1.  Am I missing 
out a step?
> 
> Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the choke 
function on the ride cymbal rim?  And sometimes when I hit the ride 
cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to reduce 
the crosstalk between them?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mobile
> - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone 
mobile.

Nick,

Our problem solving seems to have left a lot to be desired in your 
case. The kit/song predicament has been gnawing at my brain (what's 
left of it); I had a feeling that it had come up before. Lo and 
behold, if you search the archives for "Assigning a kit to a song," 
you'll find that on March 12 of last year, someone asked the same 
question and received what would have seemed to be a straightforward 
answer from the always reliable Walt--pressing "save" should 
associate a song with a selected kit once and for all--but this time 
to no avail. No one else had any ideas about it. There have been 
complaints about fluid settings from the very beginning. Maybe 
people just learned to live with them, though I agree with you that 
this tendency in the module is annoying and perplexing. Maybe we'll 
come up with a solution yet, even if we have to get Yamaha involved 
again.

It's amazing how many things come up on the board that stump you, 
regardless of how long you've been a member. I think that you can 
disable a pad's choke by setting the pad type in the trigger menu to 
one that doesn't support it. I've never done it, but I seem to 
recall someone saying so. 

As for the bow/rim interaction on, I assume, the Yamaha stereo 
cymbals. I'm not sure that this would technically be an issue of 
crosstalk (though it would be on a dual-zone cymbal). This is a 
common, legitimate complaint about this type of cymbal. I think of a 
stereo cymbal's reliablity as measured on two fronts: (1) its 
tendency to make a sound other than the one intended and (2) its 
tendency to make any sound at all. Though some stereo cymbals are 
better than others in both cases or in one of them, they all suffer 
from similar maladies, in my experience. One of the problems is 
that, given the geography of bow and rim, it's often hard to strike 
one without implicating the other. The one you strike first is the 
one you'll get, and the harder you hit, the more likely you are to 
strike the wrong one first. Tilt has something to do with it as 
well. With some of them, hitting the rim in a certain spot--usually 
off to the side--will result in the bow sound. I've tried the 
Yamahas, a Roland or two, and the Pintech Zenbals. At the higher 
reaches of the Roland spectrum (where the prices get shamefully 
high), the problem is minimal. Simply put, I think that Yamaha has 
to make a round cymbal, with more real estate and more attention to 
detail. To my mind, price being a consideration, the Pintech Zenbal 
stereo cymbal marks a huge step forward in performance. Other people 
may have had a different reaction to it, but mine was that it was 
vastly better in reliability on both fronts. In fact, it almost 
never gives no sound at all; once in a while, it will give the 
unintended one. (Stephen recently upgraded to all Zenbals; he should 
be able to add valuable information.)

I think I went over my 2 cent limit, but interesting questions all.

Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new DTXpress 
owner, and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out your 
very good DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are very 
useful.  I am particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, about 
crossfading the bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part of 
the ride cymbal pad (the more responsive part) will get more of a 
bell sound.  I'll try that out and let you know how I get on.
> 
> There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some pointers 
by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your efforts, 
guys!). 
> 
> And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, so that 
when you change to that song, the kit changes also?  The factory-set 
songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a way.  Ed 
suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit assignments 
in the Utilities menu.  So I went in and changed things around, but 
it made no difference.  When I changed from one song I had 
programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM std 
1.  Am I missing out a step?
> 
> Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the choke 
function on the ride cymbal rim?  And sometimes when I hit the ride 
cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to reduce 
the crosstalk between them?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mobile
> - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone 
mobile.

OK Go into the voice menu. Page up until yopu get to the 'KIT common' 
menus. the menu will say SongSelect= ---d=---. Here select the song 
number you want to call up with the kit you are in. AND set the 
tempo(d=---) (the 'd' is the note symbol) SAVE it here!. Don't go back 
to the play mode to save it. I just tried it. It works.
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> Nick,
> 
> Our problem solving seems to have left a lot to be desired in your 
> case. The kit/song predicament has been gnawing at my brain (what's 
> left of it); I had a feeling that it had come up before. Lo and 
> behold, if you search the archives for "Assigning a kit to a song," 
> you'll find that on March 12 of last year, someone asked the same 
> question and received what would have seemed to be a straightforward 
> answer from the always reliable Walt--pressing "save" should 
> associate a song with a selected kit once and for all--but this time 
> to no avail. No one else had any ideas about it. There have been 
> complaints about fluid settings from the very beginning. Maybe 
> people just learned to live with them, though I agree with you that 
> this tendency in the module is annoying and perplexing. Maybe we'll 
> come up with a solution yet, even if we have to get Yamaha involved 
> again.
> 
> It's amazing how many things come up on the board that stump you, 
> regardless of how long you've been a member. I think that you can 
> disable a pad's choke by setting the pad type in the trigger menu to 
> one that doesn't support it. I've never done it, but I seem to 
> recall someone saying so. 
> 
> As for the bow/rim interaction on, I assume, the Yamaha stereo 
> cymbals. I'm not sure that this would technically be an issue of 
> crosstalk (though it would be on a dual-zone cymbal). This is a 
> common, legitimate complaint about this type of cymbal. I think of a 
> stereo cymbal's reliablity as measured on two fronts: (1) its 
> tendency to make a sound other than the one intended and (2) its 
> tendency to make any sound at all. Though some stereo cymbals are 
> better than others in both cases or in one of them, they all suffer 
> from similar maladies, in my experience. One of the problems is 
> that, given the geography of bow and rim, it's often hard to strike 
> one without implicating the other. The one you strike first is the 
> one you'll get, and the harder you hit, the more likely you are to 
> strike the wrong one first. Tilt has something to do with it as 
> well. With some of them, hitting the rim in a certain spot--usually 
> off to the side--will result in the bow sound. I've tried the 
> Yamahas, a Roland or two, and the Pintech Zenbals. At the higher 
> reaches of the Roland spectrum (where the prices get shamefully 
> high), the problem is minimal. Simply put, I think that Yamaha has 
> to make a round cymbal, with more real estate and more attention to 
> detail. To my mind, price being a consideration, the Pintech Zenbal 
> stereo cymbal marks a huge step forward in performance. Other people 
> may have had a different reaction to it, but mine was that it was 
> vastly better in reliability on both fronts. In fact, it almost 
> never gives no sound at all; once in a while, it will give the 
> unintended one. (Stephen recently upgraded to all Zenbals; he should 
> be able to add valuable information.)
> 
> I think I went over my 2 cent limit, but interesting questions all.
> 
> Ed
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new DTXpress 
> owner, and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out your 
> very good DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are very 
> useful.  I am particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, about 
> crossfading the bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part of 
> the ride cymbal pad (the more responsive part) will get more of a 
> bell sound.  I'll try that out and let you know how I get on.
> > 
> > There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some pointers 
> by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your efforts, 
> guys!). 
> > 
> > And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, so that 
> when you change to that song, the kit changes also?  The factory-set 
> songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a way.  Ed 
> suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit assignments 
> in the Utilities menu.  So I went in and changed things around, but 
> it made no difference.  When I changed from one song I had 
> programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM std 
> 1.  Am I missing out a step?
> > 
> > Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the choke 
> function on the ride cymbal rim?  And sometimes when I hit the ride 
> cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to reduce 
> the crosstalk between them?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Mobile
> > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone 
> mobile.

PS this info is on page 47 of the DTXpress manual.5-4 Song Select. Top 
of second column. DTXpressII I don't know.
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> OK Go into the voice menu. Page up until yopu get to the 'KIT 
common' 
> menus. the menu will say SongSelect= ---d=---. Here select the song 
> number you want to call up with the kit you are in. AND set the 
> tempo(d=---) (the 'd' is the note symbol) SAVE it here!. Don't go 
back 
> to the play mode to save it. I just tried it. It works.
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Nick,
> > 
> > Our problem solving seems to have left a lot to be desired in your 
> > case. The kit/song predicament has been gnawing at my brain 
(what's 
> > left of it); I had a feeling that it had come up before. Lo and 
> > behold, if you search the archives for "Assigning a kit to a 
song," 
> > you'll find that on March 12 of last year, someone asked the same 
> > question and received what would have seemed to be a 
straightforward 
> > answer from the always reliable Walt--pressing "save" should 
> > associate a song with a selected kit once and for all--but this 
time 
> > to no avail. No one else had any ideas about it. There have been 
> > complaints about fluid settings from the very beginning. Maybe 
> > people just learned to live with them, though I agree with you 
that 
> > this tendency in the module is annoying and perplexing. Maybe 
we'll 
> > come up with a solution yet, even if we have to get Yamaha 
involved 
> > again.
> > 
> > It's amazing how many things come up on the board that stump you, 
> > regardless of how long you've been a member. I think that you can 
> > disable a pad's choke by setting the pad type in the trigger menu 
to 
> > one that doesn't support it. I've never done it, but I seem to 
> > recall someone saying so. 
> > 
> > As for the bow/rim interaction on, I assume, the Yamaha stereo 
> > cymbals. I'm not sure that this would technically be an issue of 
> > crosstalk (though it would be on a dual-zone cymbal). This is a 
> > common, legitimate complaint about this type of cymbal. I think of 
a 
> > stereo cymbal's reliablity as measured on two fronts: (1) its 
> > tendency to make a sound other than the one intended and (2) its 
> > tendency to make any sound at all. Though some stereo cymbals are 
> > better than others in both cases or in one of them, they all 
suffer 
> > from similar maladies, in my experience. One of the problems is 
> > that, given the geography of bow and rim, it's often hard to 
strike 
> > one without implicating the other. The one you strike first is the 
> > one you'll get, and the harder you hit, the more likely you are to 
> > strike the wrong one first. Tilt has something to do with it as 
> > well. With some of them, hitting the rim in a certain 
spot--usually 
> > off to the side--will result in the bow sound. I've tried the 
> > Yamahas, a Roland or two, and the Pintech Zenbals. At the higher 
> > reaches of the Roland spectrum (where the prices get shamefully 
> > high), the problem is minimal. Simply put, I think that Yamaha has 
> > to make a round cymbal, with more real estate and more attention 
to 
> > detail. To my mind, price being a consideration, the Pintech 
Zenbal 
> > stereo cymbal marks a huge step forward in performance. Other 
people 
> > may have had a different reaction to it, but mine was that it was 
> > vastly better in reliability on both fronts. In fact, it almost 
> > never gives no sound at all; once in a while, it will give the 
> > unintended one. (Stephen recently upgraded to all Zenbals; he 
should 
> > be able to add valuable information.)
> > 
> > I think I went over my 2 cent limit, but interesting questions 
all.
> > 
> > Ed
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new DTXpress 
> > owner, and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out your 
> > very good DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are very 
> > useful.  I am particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, about 
> > crossfading the bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part of 
> > the ride cymbal pad (the more responsive part) will get more of a 
> > bell sound.  I'll try that out and let you know how I get on.
> > > 
> > > There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some 
pointers 
> > by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your efforts, 
> > guys!). 
> > > 
> > > And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, so 
that 
> > when you change to that song, the kit changes also?  The 
factory-set 
> > songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a way.  
Ed 
> > suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit assignments 
> > in the Utilities menu.  So I went in and changed things around, 
but 
> > it made no difference.  When I changed from one song I had 
> > programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM std 
> > 1.  Am I missing out a step?
> > > 
> > > Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the choke 
> > function on the ride cymbal rim?  And sometimes when I hit the 
ride 
> > cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to 
reduce 

> > the crosstalk between them?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Mobile
> > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone 
> > mobile.

Yeah, Scott.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> OK Go into the voice menu. Page up until yopu get to the 'KIT 
common' 
> menus. the menu will say SongSelect= ---d=---. Here select the 
song 
> number you want to call up with the kit you are in. AND set the 
> tempo(d=---) (the 'd' is the note symbol) SAVE it here!. Don't go 
back 
> to the play mode to save it. I just tried it. It works.
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Nick,
> > 
> > Our problem solving seems to have left a lot to be desired in 
your 
> > case. The kit/song predicament has been gnawing at my brain 
(what's 
> > left of it); I had a feeling that it had come up before. Lo and 
> > behold, if you search the archives for "Assigning a kit to a 
song," 
> > you'll find that on March 12 of last year, someone asked the 
same 
> > question and received what would have seemed to be a 
straightforward 
> > answer from the always reliable Walt--pressing "save" should 
> > associate a song with a selected kit once and for all--but this 
time 
> > to no avail. No one else had any ideas about it. There have been 
> > complaints about fluid settings from the very beginning. Maybe 
> > people just learned to live with them, though I agree with you 
that 
> > this tendency in the module is annoying and perplexing. Maybe 
we'll 
> > come up with a solution yet, even if we have to get Yamaha 
involved 
> > again.
> > 
> > It's amazing how many things come up on the board that stump 
you, 
> > regardless of how long you've been a member. I think that you 
can 
> > disable a pad's choke by setting the pad type in the trigger 
menu to 
> > one that doesn't support it. I've never done it, but I seem to 
> > recall someone saying so. 
> > 
> > As for the bow/rim interaction on, I assume, the Yamaha stereo 
> > cymbals. I'm not sure that this would technically be an issue of 
> > crosstalk (though it would be on a dual-zone cymbal). This is a 
> > common, legitimate complaint about this type of cymbal. I think 
of a 
> > stereo cymbal's reliablity as measured on two fronts: (1) its 
> > tendency to make a sound other than the one intended and (2) its 
> > tendency to make any sound at all. Though some stereo cymbals 
are 
> > better than others in both cases or in one of them, they all 
suffer 
> > from similar maladies, in my experience. One of the problems is 
> > that, given the geography of bow and rim, it's often hard to 
strike 
> > one without implicating the other. The one you strike first is 
the 
> > one you'll get, and the harder you hit, the more likely you are 
to 
> > strike the wrong one first. Tilt has something to do with it as 
> > well. With some of them, hitting the rim in a certain spot--
usually 
> > off to the side--will result in the bow sound. I've tried the 
> > Yamahas, a Roland or two, and the Pintech Zenbals. At the higher 
> > reaches of the Roland spectrum (where the prices get shamefully 
> > high), the problem is minimal. Simply put, I think that Yamaha 
has 
> > to make a round cymbal, with more real estate and more attention 
to 
> > detail. To my mind, price being a consideration, the Pintech 
Zenbal 
> > stereo cymbal marks a huge step forward in performance. Other 
people 
> > may have had a different reaction to it, but mine was that it 
was 
> > vastly better in reliability on both fronts. In fact, it almost 
> > never gives no sound at all; once in a while, it will give the 
> > unintended one. (Stephen recently upgraded to all Zenbals; he 
should 
> > be able to add valuable information.)
> > 
> > I think I went over my 2 cent limit, but interesting questions 
all.
> > 
> > Ed
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new DTXpress 
> > owner, and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out 
your 
> > very good DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are 
very 
> > useful.  I am particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, about 
> > crossfading the bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part 
of 
> > the ride cymbal pad (the more responsive part) will get more of 
a 
> > bell sound.  I'll try that out and let you know how I get on.
> > > 
> > > There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some 
pointers 
> > by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your 
efforts, 
> > guys!). 
> > > 
> > > And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, so 
that 
> > when you change to that song, the kit changes also?  The factory-
set 
> > songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a way.  
Ed 
> > suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit 
assignments 
> > in the Utilities menu.  So I went in and changed things around, 
but 
> > it made no difference.  When I changed from one song I had 
> > programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM 
std 
> > 1.  Am I missing out a step?
> > > 
> > > Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the choke 
> > function on the ride cymbal rim?  And sometimes when I hit the 
ride 
> > cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to 
reduce 
> > the crosstalk between them?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Mobile
> > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or 
Vodafone 
> > mobile.

Nick:
As Ed said, I recently upgraded to the Pintech Zenbals. They're 
fabulous, but it took me a while to find that out. When I first got 
them, I couldn't get them to react properly, so I ordered some Rolan 
CY-6 with the intent of returning the Zenbals. I hated the CY-6 and 
sold them to a friend. I picked up (on a rial basis) some Hart 
cymbals. I liked them but missed the dual zone and especially (get 
this) the choke feature. So I went back to the PCYs. On a lark I 
thought I would try the Zenbals again, now having more knowledge than 
when I first got them. I set them up, fiddled with 'pad type', 'gain' 
and 'mvel' and lo and behold, I love 'em.

Now, as far a disabling the choke feature goes, you can certainly do 
that by changing the pad type to misc2 or DT snare. If I were you, 
I'd keep the choke feature and just try to play around the problem by 
learning to hit the cymbal from a different angle. I had to do this 
with the Zenbals as the rim is quite high.

Stephen

Nick,
I would suggest calling Martin from Yamaha (he is the
Midi-Guru/DTX Guru at Yamaha)he should be able to tell
you IF and HOW to assign the kit you want to a
particular song...you can call him @
1-888-892-6242...when you speak to a HUMAN...tell them
ya want to speak to the DTExpress Applications
Specialist...they will transfer you, and you will
probably be put on hold for a short time.  You will
then speak to a person in Technical Help....tell them
you wish to speak to Martin, the Applications
Specialist for the DTX, they will ask you what the
problem is (they enter it into their 'puter) they will
ask your phone # and assign you a case number.  Be
patient...Martin WILL call you, however it may not be
the same day, usually the next day.  If you prefer a
specific time to have him call you, tell the person
who assigns you the case number...and WRITE THAT
NUMBER DOWN-it's important in case they call you and
you miss their call.  Oh, yah...one more thing...their
hours are 8:30-5:00 M-F PACIFIC TIME.
I have dealt with Martin, and he knows his stuff!!!
Hope this will help you out!
Jade


--- Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@...> wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new
> DTXpress owner, and - as a relatively new owner
> myself - I checked out your very good
> DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are
> very useful.  I am particularly interested in TIps &
> Tricks #6, about crossfading the bell with cymbal,
> so that hitting the top part of the ride cymbal pad
> (the more responsive part) will get more of a bell
> sound.  I'll try that out and let you know how I get
> on.
> 
> There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite
> some pointers by the list Editor and
> Underneathheaven (thanks for your efforts, guys!). 
> 
> And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a
> song, so that when you change to that song, the kit
> changes also?  The factory-set songs #1 thru #95 all
> do this, so I figure there must be a way.  Ed
> suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table
> Kit assignments in the Utilities menu.  So I went in
> and changed things around, but it made no
> difference.  When I changed from one song I had
> programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to
> Kit #40 GM std 1.  Am I missing out a step?
> 
> Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop
> the choke function on the ride cymbal rim?  And
> sometimes when I hit the ride cymbal, I get the
> ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to reduce
> the crosstalk between them?
> 
>  
> 
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Hey, thanks Scott. I found 5-4 in my manual (I've got the first model 
DTXpress, too). I followed the instructions, but it made no 
difference. Let me check this with you... I call up the Kit that I 
want to tie to a particular song (Kit No. 72), then find KIT Common 
in the Voice menu, select the Song number (96) and the tempo (183) 
thus: SongSel= 96d=183. Then I press the SAVE/ENTER button, and store 
it to that Drumkit.  Did I miss anything out?  Then, when I switch to 
Song No. 96 from the one immediately before or after it, I should see 
the kit automatically change to No. 72, shouldn't I?  It doesn't work 
for me - it automatically defaults to Kit No. 40 GM std 1.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> PS this info is on page 47 of the DTXpress manual.5-4 Song Select. 
Top 
> of second column. DTXpressII I don't know.
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> 
wrote:
> > OK Go into the voice menu. Page up until yopu get to the 'KIT 
> common' 
> > menus. the menu will say SongSelect= ---d=---. Here select the 
song 
> > number you want to call up with the kit you are in. AND set the 
> > tempo(d=---) (the 'd' is the note symbol) SAVE it here!. Don't go 
> back 
> > to the play mode to save it. I just tried it. It works.
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Nick,
> > > 
> > > Our problem solving seems to have left a lot to be desired in 
your 
> > > case. The kit/song predicament has been gnawing at my brain 
> (what's 
> > > left of it); I had a feeling that it had come up before. Lo and 
> > > behold, if you search the archives for "Assigning a kit to a 
> song," 
> > > you'll find that on March 12 of last year, someone asked the 
same 
> > > question and received what would have seemed to be a 
> straightforward 
> > > answer from the always reliable Walt--pressing "save" should 
> > > associate a song with a selected kit once and for all--but this 
> time 
> > > to no avail. No one else had any ideas about it. There have 
been 
> > > complaints about fluid settings from the very beginning. Maybe 
> > > people just learned to live with them, though I agree with you 
> that 
> > > this tendency in the module is annoying and perplexing. Maybe 
> we'll 
> > > come up with a solution yet, even if we have to get Yamaha 
> involved 
> > > again.
> > > 
> > > It's amazing how many things come up on the board that stump 
you, 
> > > regardless of how long you've been a member. I think that you 
can 
> > > disable a pad's choke by setting the pad type in the trigger 
menu 
> to 
> > > one that doesn't support it. I've never done it, but I seem to 
> > > recall someone saying so. 
> > > 
> > > As for the bow/rim interaction on, I assume, the Yamaha stereo 
> > > cymbals. I'm not sure that this would technically be an issue 
of 
> > > crosstalk (though it would be on a dual-zone cymbal). This is a 
> > > common, legitimate complaint about this type of cymbal. I think 
of 
> a 
> > > stereo cymbal's reliablity as measured on two fronts: (1) its 
> > > tendency to make a sound other than the one intended and (2) 
its 
> > > tendency to make any sound at all. Though some stereo cymbals 
are 
> > > better than others in both cases or in one of them, they all 
> suffer 
> > > from similar maladies, in my experience. One of the problems is 
> > > that, given the geography of bow and rim, it's often hard to 
> strike 
> > > one without implicating the other. The one you strike first is 
the 
> > > one you'll get, and the harder you hit, the more likely you are 
to 
> > > strike the wrong one first. Tilt has something to do with it as 
> > > well. With some of them, hitting the rim in a certain 
> spot--usually 
> > > off to the side--will result in the bow sound. I've tried the 
> > > Yamahas, a Roland or two, and the Pintech Zenbals. At the 
higher 
> > > reaches of the Roland spectrum (where the prices get shamefully 
> > > high), the problem is minimal. Simply put, I think that Yamaha 
has 
> > > to make a round cymbal, with more real estate and more 
attention 
> to 
> > > detail. To my mind, price being a consideration, the Pintech 
> Zenbal 
> > > stereo cymbal marks a huge step forward in performance. Other 
> people 
> > > may have had a different reaction to it, but mine was that it 
was 
> > > vastly better in reliability on both fronts. In fact, it almost 
> > > never gives no sound at all; once in a while, it will give the 
> > > unintended one. (Stephen recently upgraded to all Zenbals; he 
> should 
> > > be able to add valuable information.)
> > > 
> > > I think I went over my 2 cent limit, but interesting questions 
> all.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new DTXpress 
> > > owner, and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out 
your 
> > > very good DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are 
very 
> > > useful.  I am particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, 
about 
> > > crossfading the bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part 
of 
> > > the ride cymbal pad (the more responsive part) will get more of 
a 
> > > bell sound.  I'll try that out and let you know how I get on.
> > > > 
> > > > There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some 
> pointers 
> > > by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your 
efforts, 
> > > guys!). 
> > > > 
> > > > And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, so 
> that 
> > > when you change to that song, the kit changes also?  The 
> factory-set 
> > > songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a 
way.  
> Ed 
> > > suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit 
assignments 
> > > in the Utilities menu.  So I went in and changed things around, 
> but 
> > > it made no difference.  When I changed from one song I had 
> > > programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM 
std 
> > > 1.  Am I missing out a step?
> > > > 
> > > > Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the 
choke 
> > > function on the ride cymbal rim?  And sometimes when I hit the 
> ride 
> > > cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to 
> reduce 
> > > the crosstalk between them?
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
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NO, I guess I misunderstood your needs. This setting will call up the 
selected SONG (96)when you select a KIT(72).I'll chech this one out.
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey, thanks Scott. I found 5-4 in my manual (I've got the first 
model 
> DTXpress, too). I followed the instructions, but it made no 
> difference. Let me check this with you... I call up the Kit that I 
> want to tie to a particular song (Kit No. 72), then find KIT Common 
> in the Voice menu, select the Song number (96) and the tempo (183) 
> thus: SongSel= 96d=183. Then I press the SAVE/ENTER button, and 
store 
> it to that Drumkit.  Did I miss anything out?  Then, when I switch 
to 
> Song No. 96 from the one immediately before or after it, I should 
see 
> the kit automatically change to No. 72, shouldn't I?  It doesn't 
work 
> for me - it automatically defaults to Kit No. 40 GM std 1.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> 
wrote:
> > PS this info is on page 47 of the DTXpress manual.5-4 Song Select. 
> Top 
> > of second column. DTXpressII I don't know.
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> 
> wrote:
> > > OK Go into the voice menu. Page up until yopu get to the 'KIT 
> > common' 
> > > menus. the menu will say SongSelect= ---d=---. Here select the 
> song 
> > > number you want to call up with the kit you are in. AND set the 
> > > tempo(d=---) (the 'd' is the note symbol) SAVE it here!. Don't 
go 
> > back 
> > > to the play mode to save it. I just tried it. It works.
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Nick,
> > > > 
> > > > Our problem solving seems to have left a lot to be desired in 
> your 
> > > > case. The kit/song predicament has been gnawing at my brain 
> > (what's 
> > > > left of it); I had a feeling that it had come up before. Lo 
and 
> > > > behold, if you search the archives for "Assigning a kit to a 
> > song," 
> > > > you'll find that on March 12 of last year, someone asked the 
> same 
> > > > question and received what would have seemed to be a 
> > straightforward 
> > > > answer from the always reliable Walt--pressing "save" should 
> > > > associate a song with a selected kit once and for all--but 
this 
> > time 
> > > > to no avail. No one else had any ideas about it. There have 
> been 
> > > > complaints about fluid settings from the very beginning. Maybe 
> > > > people just learned to live with them, though I agree with you 
> > that 
> > > > this tendency in the module is annoying and perplexing. Maybe 
> > we'll 
> > > > come up with a solution yet, even if we have to get Yamaha 
> > involved 
> > > > again.
> > > > 
> > > > It's amazing how many things come up on the board that stump 
> you, 
> > > > regardless of how long you've been a member. I think that you 
> can 
> > > > disable a pad's choke by setting the pad type in the trigger 
> menu 
> > to 
> > > > one that doesn't support it. I've never done it, but I seem to 
> > > > recall someone saying so. 
> > > > 
> > > > As for the bow/rim interaction on, I assume, the Yamaha stereo 
> > > > cymbals. I'm not sure that this would technically be an issue 
> of 
> > > > crosstalk (though it would be on a dual-zone cymbal). This is 
a 
> > > > common, legitimate complaint about this type of cymbal. I 
think 
> of 
> > a 
> > > > stereo cymbal's reliablity as measured on two fronts: (1) its 
> > > > tendency to make a sound other than the one intended and (2) 
> its 
> > > > tendency to make any sound at all. Though some stereo cymbals 
> are 
> > > > better than others in both cases or in one of them, they all 
> > suffer 
> > > > from similar maladies, in my experience. One of the problems 
is 
> > > > that, given the geography of bow and rim, it's often hard to 
> > strike 
> > > > one without implicating the other. The one you strike first is 
> the 
> > > > one you'll get, and the harder you hit, the more likely you 
are 
> to 
> > > > strike the wrong one first. Tilt has something to do with it 
as 
> > > > well. With some of them, hitting the rim in a certain 
> > spot--usually 
> > > > off to the side--will result in the bow sound. I've tried the 
> > > > Yamahas, a Roland or two, and the Pintech Zenbals. At the 
> higher 
> > > > reaches of the Roland spectrum (where the prices get 
shamefully 
> > > > high), the problem is minimal. Simply put, I think that Yamaha 
> has 
> > > > to make a round cymbal, with more real estate and more 
> attention 
> > to 
> > > > detail. To my mind, price being a consideration, the Pintech 
> > Zenbal 
> > > > stereo cymbal marks a huge step forward in performance. Other 
> > people 
> > > > may have had a different reaction to it, but mine was that it 
> was 
> > > > vastly better in reliability on both fronts. In fact, it 
almost 
> > > > never gives no sound at all; once in a while, it will give the 
> > > > unintended one. (Stephen recently upgraded to all Zenbals; he 
> > should 
> > > > be able to add valuable information.)
> > > > 
> > > > I think I went over my 2 cent limit, but interesting questions 
> > all.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll 
> <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you, Vernon Graner.  I saw your reply to a new 
DTXpress 
> > > > owner, and - as a relatively new owner myself - I checked out 
> your 
> > > > very good DTXpressions.com web site.  Those tips & tricks are 
> very 
> > > > useful.  I am particularly interested in TIps & Tricks #6, 
> about 
> > > > crossfading the bell with cymbal, so that hitting the top part 
> of 
> > > > the ride cymbal pad (the more responsive part) will get more 
of 
> a 
> > > > bell sound.  I'll try that out and let you know how I get on.
> > > > > 
> > > > > There is one problem I haven't resolved yet, despite some 
> > pointers 
> > > > by the list Editor and Underneathheaven (thanks for your 
> efforts, 
> > > > guys!). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And that is, how do you assign a particular kit to a song, 
so 
> > that 
> > > > when you change to that song, the kit changes also?  The 
> > factory-set 
> > > > songs #1 thru #95 all do this, so I figure there must be a 
> way.  
> > Ed 
> > > > suggested I check the UT Midi Program Change Table Kit 
> assignments 
> > > > in the Utilities menu.  So I went in and changed things 
around, 

> > but 
> > > > it made no difference.  When I changed from one song I had 
> > > > programmed to another, the brain still defaulted to Kit #40 GM 
> std 
> > > > 1.  Am I missing out a step?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here are two others posers: Is there any way to stop the 
> choke 
> > > > function on the ride cymbal rim?  And sometimes when I hit the 
> > ride 
> > > > cymbal, I get the ride-rim sound instead - is there a way to 
> > reduce 
> > > > the crosstalk between them?
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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> > > > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or 
> Vodafone 
> > > > mobile.

Hey, Stephen. Thanks for your feedback re the choke feature on the 
ride pad. Following your advice I have changed the pad type to Misc 
1, and my problem of the unwanted choke is solved!  So thank you! I 
can understand that you might miss the choke facility - you probably 
play jazz and use it quite a lot.  I play country rock, and I have 
very little use for it.  I have programmed a second crash as my ride-
rim sound, instead of a bell, and that suits me really well.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Nick:
> As Ed said, I recently upgraded to the Pintech Zenbals. They're 
> fabulous, but it took me a while to find that out. When I first got 
> them, I couldn't get them to react properly, so I ordered some 
Rolan 
> CY-6 with the intent of returning the Zenbals. I hated the CY-6 and 
> sold them to a friend. I picked up (on a rial basis) some Hart 
> cymbals. I liked them but missed the dual zone and especially (get 
> this) the choke feature. So I went back to the PCYs. On a lark I 
> thought I would try the Zenbals again, now having more knowledge 
than 
> when I first got them. I set them up, fiddled with 'pad 
type', 'gain' 
> and 'mvel' and lo and behold, I love 'em.
> 
> Now, as far a disabling the choke feature goes, you can certainly 
do 
> that by changing the pad type to misc2 or DT snare. If I were you, 
> I'd keep the choke feature and just try to play around the problem 
by 

> learning to hit the cymbal from a different angle. I had to do this 
> with the Zenbals as the rim is quite high.
> 
> Stephen

Something I discovered when I plugged my extra cymbals into zones 
other than 6,7 on the dtxpressII is that the choke feature is only 
available when the cymbals are plugged into the three zone inputs 
2,6,7. If a cymbal is plugged into zones 1,3,4,5, you will get the 
duo-zone cymbal but not the choke. 


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey, Stephen. Thanks for your feedback re the choke feature on the 
> ride pad. Following your advice I have changed the pad type to Misc 
> 1, and my problem of the unwanted choke is solved!  So thank you! I 
> can understand that you might miss the choke facility - you 
probably 
> play jazz and use it quite a lot.  I play country rock, and I have 
> very little use for it.  I have programmed a second crash as my 
ride-
> rim sound, instead of a bell, and that suits me really well.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> > Nick:
> > As Ed said, I recently upgraded to the Pintech Zenbals. They're 
> > fabulous, but it took me a while to find that out. When I first 
got 
> > them, I couldn't get them to react properly, so I ordered some 
> Rolan 
> > CY-6 with the intent of returning the Zenbals. I hated the CY-6 
and 
> > sold them to a friend. I picked up (on a rial basis) some Hart 
> > cymbals. I liked them but missed the dual zone and especially 
(get 
> > this) the choke feature. So I went back to the PCYs. On a lark I 
> > thought I would try the Zenbals again, now having more knowledge 
> than 
> > when I first got them. I set them up, fiddled with 'pad 
> type', 'gain' 
> > and 'mvel' and lo and behold, I love 'em.
> > 
> > Now, as far a disabling the choke feature goes, you can certainly 
> do 
> > that by changing the pad type to misc2 or DT snare. If I were 
you, 
> > I'd keep the choke feature and just try to play around the 
problem 
> by 
> > learning to hit the cymbal from a different angle. I had to do 
this 

> > with the Zenbals as the rim is quite high.
> > 
> > Stephen

Nick:

You're welcome. It took me awhile to run across the 'pad type' 
parameter myself. My life changed once I discovered it. It was an 
Epiphany.

And, JAZZ? Me? Au Contraire. Classic Rock 100%. Gotta have the choke 
feature for 'Cold as Ice' by Foreigner.

Stephen