Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I've seen people discuss Roland cymbals, Pintech, and Zenbals but 
somewhere along the way I didn't pick up which worked the best with 
Yamaha.  I'm not talking which one works good or ok with the 
dtxpress, I want one that functions properly all the time.  (The 
actual round e-cymbals.)  Thanks for repeating the information!

-UN.H

UNH,

Given all the years that we've known each other, my answer probably 
won't come as a surprise: Visu-lites--rides, crashes, and hats. 
Here's my ranking from worse to best: Hart ride (poor tracking and 
volume), although the crashes through Yamaha supposedly work fine 
(ask Walt and Sam); Roland CY-6 (a little thin and finicky, though 
all stereo cymbals seem at least a bit unreliable); the Yamaha 
wedges; Pintech Zenbal (primarily the stereo version used as two 
crashes--the bow is too narrow, and the rim too pronounced, to suit 
me as a ride, though I'll bet that the mono Zenbal would make a good 
ride); finally, the Visu-lites, which are a revelation. Ask Jade 
about them, too. Please take my view with a grain of salt; e-
cymbals, like everything else in electronic drumming, have an 
element of personal taste, but, in general, I'd say that e-cymbals 
are the most problematical triggers, especially the stereo ones. 
Until I tried the Visu-lites, I was resigned to a certain amount of 
unreliabiity. Not anymore.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> I've seen people discuss Roland cymbals, Pintech, and Zenbals but 
> somewhere along the way I didn't pick up which worked the best 
with 

> Yamaha.  I'm not talking which one works good or ok with the 
> dtxpress, I want one that functions properly all the time.  (The 
> actual round e-cymbals.)  Thanks for repeating the information!
> 
> -UN.H

UN.H.
I've been very pleased with the Pintech Zenbal. It takes getting used 
to, but it works very well.
I've also used the Hart e-cymbal, but didn't care for the hard 
plastic and the fact that they were single zone.
Stephen

I can confirm that the Hart crashes work great with my DTXTREME module.
Better than I expected, in fact. I do have the Hart Ride and Hi-Hat
working OK as well. I know I promised to post my settings for the HH
and Ride, but things have been crazy busy around here and I haven't had
much time to mess with the e-drums lately... :-(

I don't have a DTXPRESS module, but I don't see any reason the Hart
crashes wouldn't work well with that module.

Matt Pobursky

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:16:43 -0000, liberatusvirus wrote:
>\ufffdUNH,
>\ufffd
>\ufffdGiven all the years that we've known each other, my answer probably
>\ufffdwon't come as a surprise: Visu-lites--rides, crashes, and hats.
>\ufffdHere's my ranking from worse to best: Hart ride (poor tracking and
>\ufffdvolume), although the crashes through Yamaha supposedly work fine
>\ufffd(ask Walt and Sam); Roland CY-6 (a little thin and finicky, though
>\ufffdall stereo cymbals seem at least a bit unreliable); the Yamaha
>\ufffdwedges; Pintech Zenbal (primarily the stereo version used as two
>\ufffdcrashes--the bow is too narrow, and the rim too pronounced, to suit
>\ufffdme as a ride, though I'll bet that the mono Zenbal would make a good
>\ufffdride); finally, the Visu-lites, which are a revelation. Ask Jade
>\ufffdabout them, too. Please take my view with a grain of salt; e-
>\ufffdcymbals, like everything else in electronic drumming, have an
>\ufffdelement of personal taste, but, in general, I'd say that e-cymbals
>\ufffdare the most problematical triggers, especially the stereo ones.
>\ufffdUntil I tried the Visu-lites, I was resigned to a certain amount of
>\ufffdunreliabiity. Not anymore.

Oops, meant to mention I have Ecymbal-II's. The crashes are relatively hard
plastic, but have the gold metallic coating which makes them look like real
cymbals. The coating seems to be very tough, although it will scratch much
like a real cymbal. I also use Aquarian cymbal springs and it gives them a
nice realistic feel.

I haven't tried Hart's new Ecymbals, but I'm thinking about picking up one
from Drumbalaya and maybe a Zenbal as well to play around with.

Matt Pobursky

UNH-
VISULITES! VISULITES! VISULITES!....It may seem
strange, but they seem to sound better too!  I will be
getting the HH cymbals as soon as I can save up enough
to get them.
Jade
--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> UNH,
> 
> Given all the years that we've known each other, my
> answer probably 
> won't come as a surprise: Visu-lites--rides,
> crashes, and hats. 
> Here's my ranking from worse to best: Hart ride
> (poor tracking and 
> volume), although the crashes through Yamaha
> supposedly work fine 
> (ask Walt and Sam); Roland CY-6 (a little thin and
> finicky, though 
> all stereo cymbals seem at least a bit unreliable);
> the Yamaha 
> wedges; Pintech Zenbal (primarily the stereo version
> used as two 
> crashes--the bow is too narrow, and the rim too
> pronounced, to suit 
> me as a ride, though I'll bet that the mono Zenbal
> would make a good 
> ride); finally, the Visu-lites, which are a
> revelation. Ask Jade 
> about them, too. Please take my view with a grain of
> salt; e-
> cymbals, like everything else in electronic
> drumming, have an 
> element of personal taste, but, in general, I'd say
> that e-cymbals 
> are the most problematical triggers, especially the
> stereo ones. 
> Until I tried the Visu-lites, I was resigned to a
> certain amount of 
> unreliabiity. Not anymore.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven"
> <realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > I've seen people discuss Roland cymbals, Pintech,
> and Zenbals but 
> > somewhere along the way I didn't pick up which
> worked the best 
> with 
> > Yamaha.  I'm not talking which one works good or
> ok with the 
> > dtxpress, I want one that functions properly all
> the time.  (The 
> > actual round e-cymbals.)  Thanks for repeating the
> information!
> > 
> > -UN.H
> 
> 


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lol, Jade they sound better? :)  How does it sound better?

-UN.H



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:

> UNH-
> VISULITES! VISULITES! VISULITES!....It may seem
> strange, but they seem to sound better too!  I will be
> getting the HH cymbals as soon as I can save up enough
> to get them.
> Jade
> --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > UNH,
> > 
> > Given all the years that we've known each other, my
> > answer probably 
> > won't come as a surprise: Visu-lites--rides,
> > crashes, and hats. 
> > Here's my ranking from worse to best: Hart ride
> > (poor tracking and 
> > volume), although the crashes through Yamaha
> > supposedly work fine 
> > (ask Walt and Sam); Roland CY-6 (a little thin and
> > finicky, though 
> > all stereo cymbals seem at least a bit unreliable);
> > the Yamaha 
> > wedges; Pintech Zenbal (primarily the stereo version
> > used as two 
> > crashes--the bow is too narrow, and the rim too
> > pronounced, to suit 
> > me as a ride, though I'll bet that the mono Zenbal
> > would make a good 
> > ride); finally, the Visu-lites, which are a
> > revelation. Ask Jade 
> > about them, too. Please take my view with a grain of
> > salt; e-
> > cymbals, like everything else in electronic
> > drumming, have an 
> > element of personal taste, but, in general, I'd say
> > that e-cymbals 
> > are the most problematical triggers, especially the
> > stereo ones. 
> > Until I tried the Visu-lites, I was resigned to a
> > certain amount of 
> > unreliabiity. Not anymore.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven"
> > <realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > I've seen people discuss Roland cymbals, Pintech,
> > and Zenbals but 
> > > somewhere along the way I didn't pick up which
> > worked the best 
> > with 
> > > Yamaha.  I'm not talking which one works good or
> > ok with the 
> > > dtxpress, I want one that functions properly all
> > the time.  (The 
> > > actual round e-cymbals.)  Thanks for repeating the
> > information!
> > > 
> > > -UN.H
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Jade:
T
hat is funny; but believable! After I got my new Pintechs, my wife 
complimented them by saying they sounded better than the old ones. 

I tried explaining, but .......

Stephen

Stephen and UNH,

I actually told Tom Pickard that his cymbals made the Yamaha stock 
voices sound better. It may well have something to do with how the 
energy propagates across the Visu-lite's acrylic (rather than gum 
rubber, for instance), the quality of the piezo, and the choice of 
spring clips for wires that terminate away from the cymbal itself
(rather than the heavy quarter-inch jacks attached to the body of 
other cymbals). They also feel so good to hit.

Ed 


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:

> Jade:
> T
> hat is funny; but believable! After I got my new Pintechs, my wife 
> complimented them by saying they sounded better than the old ones. 
> 
> I tried explaining, but .......
> 
> Stephen

UN.H-
Been away from the 'puter, been working a lot this
past week...I think Ed answered your question about
Visu-lites.  They REALLY do sound better-it's gotta be
better quality piezos plus the design.  The best way I
can describe it is that the cymbals sound more clear
and crisp.  
Jade
--- underneathheaven <realvast@...> wrote:
> lol, Jade they sound better? :)  How does it sound
> better?
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > UNH-
> > VISULITES! VISULITES! VISULITES!....It may seem
> > strange, but they seem to sound better too!  I
> will be
> > getting the HH cymbals as soon as I can save up
> enough
> > to get them.
> > Jade
> > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > UNH,
> > > 
> > > Given all the years that we've known each other,
> my
> > > answer probably 
> > > won't come as a surprise: Visu-lites--rides,
> > > crashes, and hats. 
> > > Here's my ranking from worse to best: Hart ride
> > > (poor tracking and 
> > > volume), although the crashes through Yamaha
> > > supposedly work fine 
> > > (ask Walt and Sam); Roland CY-6 (a little thin
> and
> > > finicky, though 
> > > all stereo cymbals seem at least a bit
> unreliable);
> > > the Yamaha 
> > > wedges; Pintech Zenbal (primarily the stereo
> version
> > > used as two 
> > > crashes--the bow is too narrow, and the rim too
> > > pronounced, to suit 
> > > me as a ride, though I'll bet that the mono
> Zenbal
> > > would make a good 
> > > ride); finally, the Visu-lites, which are a
> > > revelation. Ask Jade 
> > > about them, too. Please take my view with a
> grain of
> > > salt; e-
> > > cymbals, like everything else in electronic
> > > drumming, have an 
> > > element of personal taste, but, in general, I'd
> say
> > > that e-cymbals 
> > > are the most problematical triggers, especially
> the
> > > stereo ones. 
> > > Until I tried the Visu-lites, I was resigned to
> a
> > > certain amount of 
> > > unreliabiity. Not anymore.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com,
> "underneathheaven"
> > > <realvast@s...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > I've seen people discuss Roland cymbals,
> Pintech,
> > > and Zenbals but 
> > > > somewhere along the way I didn't pick up which
> > > worked the best 
> > > with 
> > > > Yamaha.  I'm not talking which one works good
> or
> > > ok with the 
> > > > dtxpress, I want one that functions properly
> all
> > > the time.  (The 
> > > > actual round e-cymbals.)  Thanks for repeating
> the
> > > information!
> > > > 
> > > > -UN.H
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
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