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Hi

Im usin my mapex dbl bass pedal. Is there any way to simulate a hi hat drop tool (so 
that when i wanna double bass, i can hit something and the hi hat pad is always 
closed till i need it again)

The only way ive found is to edit the kit which isnt really suitable!

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b3n1981" <b3n1981@y...> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Im usin my mapex dbl bass pedal. Is there any way to simulate a hi 
hat drop tool (so 
> that when i wanna double bass, i can hit something and the hi hat 
pad is always 
> closed till i need it again)
> 
> The only way ive found is to edit the kit which isnt really 
suitable!

Actually, I have an electrical design for just such a product, but 
haven't "productized" it yet.  It is not hard to do and should not 
be too expensive.  Do you think it would be best to implement in a 
similar way as a "lever" on a hi-hat like rod or can it be mounted 
elsewhere and still be ok?

Thoughts?

Ed

--- "wb7ubd" wrote:
> > Is there any way to simulate a hi 
> > hat drop tool
> Actually, I have an electrical design...

I have a plan to try using the edge trigger on a stereo hat as 
a "permanently closed" sound (in other words, both open and closed 
states set to a closed sound) in a kit for just this purpose. When I 
have a hi-hat pad with a more reliable edge, I think.

Stewart

due to being an acoustic drummer b4 going electric (and now so glad, practising at 
midnight after getting back from the pub is amazing!!) im used to having a lever on 
top of my hihat i can pull to drop the hat closed.
Failing that the idea of a 2 zone hi hat can work, i roughly wired my 3 zone snare up 
as a hat and it works!

This won't help those without the extra pads, but I just set up a second
hi-hat that is reverse of the primary one. Closed sound when pedal is up and
open sound with pedal down. That way when feet are double bassin, I can
choose between open or closed depending on which hi-hat pad I hit. I suppose
a simple solution is put a PCY65 adjacent to your hihat pad and assign it a
closed hi-hat sound.

I did try and setup a PCY65S with a PCY10 on top of it for the hi-hat. Using
the PCY10 as a closed clutch hat and the PCY65S as the normal hi-hat, but it
just didn't feel quite right, so I just set up two hi-hat's. (If my order
for my last PCY65S ever comes in, I'll set it up as a third hi-hat.)

OldGuyDrummer

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> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: HiHat Drop Simulator??
> 
> due to being an acoustic drummer b4 going electric (and now so glad,
> practising at 
> midnight after getting back from the pub is amazing!!) im used to having a
> lever on 
> top of my hihat i can pull to drop the hat closed.
> Failing that the idea of a 2 zone hi hat can work, i roughly wired my 3
> zone snare up 
> as a hat and it works!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Ed,

I'm not a double bassist, so my interest is purely academic. But the 
idea sounds great; not until recently did I realize that the planet 
had so many e-drummers with two kick pedals. My 2 cents is that one 
of the advantages of electronics is that something like a hat-drop 
tool could go anywhere, in any form, on the rack. You could reserve 
the "lever" for the Visu-lite. At any rate, it would seem to be yet 
another feather in Drumabalaya's cap, whatever its incarnation.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wb7ubd" <edm@p...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b3n1981" <b3n1981@y...> wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > Im usin my mapex dbl bass pedal. Is there any way to simulate a 
hi 
> hat drop tool (so 
> > that when i wanna double bass, i can hit something and the hi 
hat 

> pad is always 
> > closed till i need it again)
> > 
> > The only way ive found is to edit the kit which isnt really 
> suitable!
> 
> Actually, I have an electrical design for just such a product, but 
> haven't "productized" it yet.  It is not hard to do and should not 
> be too expensive.  Do you think it would be best to implement in a 
> similar way as a "lever" on a hi-hat like rod or can it be mounted 
> elsewhere and still be ok?
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Ed

--- OldGuyDrummer wrote:
> (If my order for my last PCY65S ever comes in,
> I'll set it up as a third hi-hat.)

Hey, other OldGuy (B-)... any chance of some photos of the complete 
Phase III set-up with the pads on? And will you tell us how all 
those pads are set up? What voices have you used? I'm deeply 
envious, but I can't imagine how all those toms have been set up. 
You can't have gone for a completely "melodic" set-up, as there 
aren't enough suitable voices are there?

Stewart

Ed, how come you don't play double bass?  I'm not sure I would have 
bought an electronic set if I could not double bass on it.  Its 
something I've wanted to since I was five.

- UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> I'm not a double bassist, so my interest is purely academic. But 
the 
> idea sounds great; not until recently did I realize that the 
planet 
> had so many e-drummers with two kick pedals. My 2 cents is that 
one 
> of the advantages of electronics is that something like a hat-drop 
> tool could go anywhere, in any form, on the rack. You could 
reserve 
> the "lever" for the Visu-lite. At any rate, it would seem to be 
yet 
> another feather in Drumabalaya's cap, whatever its incarnation.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wb7ubd" <edm@p...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b3n1981" <b3n1981@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > Im usin my mapex dbl bass pedal. Is there any way to simulate 
a 
> hi 
> > hat drop tool (so 
> > > that when i wanna double bass, i can hit something and the hi 
> hat 
> > pad is always 
> > > closed till i need it again)
> > > 
> > > The only way ive found is to edit the kit which isnt really 
> > suitable!
> > 
> > Actually, I have an electrical design for just such a product, 
but 
> > haven't "productized" it yet.  It is not hard to do and should 
not 
> > be too expensive.  Do you think it would be best to implement in 
a 
> > similar way as a "lever" on a hi-hat like rod or can it be 
mounted 

> > elsewhere and still be ok?
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Ed

UNH,

I started playing at a time when double basses were a real oddity. 
The only high profile rock players to emerge eventually with them 
were Ginger Baker and Jon Hiseman--both of whom started out in 
England in a kind of blues-jazz rock context. There were more 
straight jazz drummers who used them--notably, Louis Bellson and 
later Ed Shaughnessy--but the dual basses didn't seem to come into 
prominence until this old dog would have had to learn some really 
new tricks. I always prided myself on my single bass drum work; it 
was in some ways my strongest feature. But the truth is, whichever 
way you go you'll always have plenty to learn. I'm just caught up 
too much in the single-bass knot. I did learn some ruffing with the 
bass and hi hat from Ginger Baker, whom I had the displeasure to 
meet back in 1966. I've always thought that speed metal, thrash, and 
industrial music was better suited to it than the styles that I tend 
to play.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Ed, how come you don't play double bass?  I'm not sure I would 
have 
> bought an electronic set if I could not double bass on it.  Its 
> something I've wanted to since I was five.
> 
> - UN.H
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Ed,
> > 
> > I'm not a double bassist, so my interest is purely academic. But 
> the 
> > idea sounds great; not until recently did I realize that the 
> planet 
> > had so many e-drummers with two kick pedals. My 2 cents is that 
> one 
> > of the advantages of electronics is that something like a hat-
drop 
> > tool could go anywhere, in any form, on the rack. You could 
> reserve 
> > the "lever" for the Visu-lite. At any rate, it would seem to be 
> yet 
> > another feather in Drumabalaya's cap, whatever its incarnation.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wb7ubd" <edm@p...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b3n1981" <b3n1981@y...> 
wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > Im usin my mapex dbl bass pedal. Is there any way to 
simulate 
> a 
> > hi 
> > > hat drop tool (so 
> > > > that when i wanna double bass, i can hit something and the 
hi 
> > hat 
> > > pad is always 
> > > > closed till i need it again)
> > > > 
> > > > The only way ive found is to edit the kit which isnt really 
> > > suitable!
> > > 
> > > Actually, I have an electrical design for just such a product, 
> but 
> > > haven't "productized" it yet.  It is not hard to do and should 
> not 
> > > be too expensive.  Do you think it would be best to implement 
in 

> a 
> > > similar way as a "lever" on a hi-hat like rod or can it be 
> mounted 
> > > elsewhere and still be ok?
> > > 
> > > Thoughts?
> > > 
> > > Ed

Ed, Ginger Baker was a displeasure to meet?  What happened?

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> UNH,
> 
> I started playing at a time when double basses were a real oddity. 
> The only high profile rock players to emerge eventually with them 
> were Ginger Baker and Jon Hiseman--both of whom started out in 
> England in a kind of blues-jazz rock context. There were more 
> straight jazz drummers who used them--notably, Louis Bellson and 
> later Ed Shaughnessy--but the dual basses didn't seem to come into 
> prominence until this old dog would have had to learn some really 
> new tricks. I always prided myself on my single bass drum work; it 
> was in some ways my strongest feature. But the truth is, whichever 
> way you go you'll always have plenty to learn. I'm just caught up 
> too much in the single-bass knot. I did learn some ruffing with 
the 
> bass and hi hat from Ginger Baker, whom I had the displeasure to 
> meet back in 1966. I've always thought that speed metal, thrash, 
and 
> industrial music was better suited to it than the styles that I 
tend 
> to play.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Ed, how come you don't play double bass?  I'm not sure I would 
> have 
> > bought an electronic set if I could not double bass on it.  Its 
> > something I've wanted to since I was five.
> > 
> > - UN.H
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Ed,
> > > 
> > > I'm not a double bassist, so my interest is purely academic. 
But 
> > the 
> > > idea sounds great; not until recently did I realize that the 
> > planet 
> > > had so many e-drummers with two kick pedals. My 2 cents is 
that 
> > one 
> > > of the advantages of electronics is that something like a hat-
> drop 
> > > tool could go anywhere, in any form, on the rack. You could 
> > reserve 
> > > the "lever" for the Visu-lite. At any rate, it would seem to 
be 
> > yet 
> > > another feather in Drumabalaya's cap, whatever its incarnation.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wb7ubd" <edm@p...> wrote:
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b3n1981" <b3n1981@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi
> > > > > 
> > > > > Im usin my mapex dbl bass pedal. Is there any way to 
> simulate 
> > a 
> > > hi 
> > > > hat drop tool (so 
> > > > > that when i wanna double bass, i can hit something and the 
> hi 
> > > hat 
> > > > pad is always 
> > > > > closed till i need it again)
> > > > > 
> > > > > The only way ive found is to edit the kit which isnt 
really 
> > > > suitable!
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, I have an electrical design for just such a 
product, 
> > but 
> > > > haven't "productized" it yet.  It is not hard to do and 
should 
> > not 
> > > > be too expensive.  Do you think it would be best to 
implement 

> in 
> > a 
> > > > similar way as a "lever" on a hi-hat like rod or can it be 
> > mounted 
> > > > elsewhere and still be ok?
> > > > 
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > > 
> > > > Ed

UNH,

I met Ginger Baker, along with Eric Clapton and Jack Bruce, who were 
not long performing as Cream at that point, at a Boston concert club 
called the Psychedelic Psupermarket, which was no more than a 
converted underground parking garage, near Boston University. I had 
some association with the opening act, which I can't recall anymore, 
and was able to go backstage and mingle. Baker, Clapton, and Bruce 
huddled in a corner on the floor together, with a couple of girl 
friends. Clapton was quite shy and withdrawn (so was I), but Baker 
was surly and rude to everyone. I spoke with him a little bit, but 
he had absolutely no sense of humor or civility. I learned afterward 
that he had a reputation for gruff behavior, to say the least, but 
he caught me completely unaware at the time. But the playing was 
inspirational for a sixteen-year-old.

Ed 


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Ed, Ginger Baker was a displeasure to meet?  What happened?
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > UNH,
> > 
> > I started playing at a time when double basses were a real 
oddity. 
> > The only high profile rock players to emerge eventually with 
them 
> > were Ginger Baker and Jon Hiseman--both of whom started out in 
> > England in a kind of blues-jazz rock context. There were more 
> > straight jazz drummers who used them--notably, Louis Bellson and 
> > later Ed Shaughnessy--but the dual basses didn't seem to come 
into 
> > prominence until this old dog would have had to learn some 
really 
> > new tricks. I always prided myself on my single bass drum work; 
it 
> > was in some ways my strongest feature. But the truth is, 
whichever 
> > way you go you'll always have plenty to learn. I'm just caught 
up 
> > too much in the single-bass knot. I did learn some ruffing with 
> the 
> > bass and hi hat from Ginger Baker, whom I had the displeasure to 
> > meet back in 1966. I've always thought that speed metal, thrash, 
> and 
> > industrial music was better suited to it than the styles that I 
> tend 
> > to play.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> <realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Ed, how come you don't play double bass?  I'm not sure I would 
> > have 
> > > bought an electronic set if I could not double bass on it.  
Its 
> > > something I've wanted to since I was five.
> > > 
> > > - UN.H
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Ed,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not a double bassist, so my interest is purely academic. 
> But 
> > > the 
> > > > idea sounds great; not until recently did I realize that the 
> > > planet 
> > > > had so many e-drummers with two kick pedals. My 2 cents is 
> that 
> > > one 
> > > > of the advantages of electronics is that something like a 
hat-
> > drop 
> > > > tool could go anywhere, in any form, on the rack. You could 
> > > reserve 
> > > > the "lever" for the Visu-lite. At any rate, it would seem to 
> be 
> > > yet 
> > > > another feather in Drumabalaya's cap, whatever its 
incarnation.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wb7ubd" <edm@p...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b3n1981" <b3n1981@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Im usin my mapex dbl bass pedal. Is there any way to 
> > simulate 
> > > a 
> > > > hi 
> > > > > hat drop tool (so 
> > > > > > that when i wanna double bass, i can hit something and 
the 

> > hi 
> > > > hat 
> > > > > pad is always 
> > > > > > closed till i need it again)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The only way ive found is to edit the kit which isnt 
> really 
> > > > > suitable!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Actually, I have an electrical design for just such a 
> product, 
> > > but 
> > > > > haven't "productized" it yet.  It is not hard to do and 
> should 
> > > not 
> > > > > be too expensive.  Do you think it would be best to 
> implement 
> > in 
> > > a 
> > > > > similar way as a "lever" on a hi-hat like rod or can it be 
> > > mounted 
> > > > > elsewhere and still be ok?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed

Stewart,

I will take photos this weekend (probably minus one PCY65S). Since I only
have seven pads setup as toms, I will use a basic six tom voice setup and
take the lowest and drop it down a note for tom number seven. 

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...]
> Sent:	Monday, April 28, 2003 5:26 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: HiHat Drop Simulator??
> 
> --- OldGuyDrummer wrote:
> > (If my order for my last PCY65S ever comes in,
> > I'll set it up as a third hi-hat.)
> 
> Hey, other OldGuy (B-)... any chance of some photos of the complete 
> Phase III set-up with the pads on? And will you tell us how all 
> those pads are set up? What voices have you used? I'm deeply 
> envious, but I can't imagine how all those toms have been set up. 
> You can't have gone for a completely "melodic" set-up, as there 
> aren't enough suitable voices are there?
> 
> Stewart
> 
> 
> 
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