Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi guys,

Thanks to stephen I could set the snare settings right but there's a 
small problem.

I can't get the rim sound to trigger proprely (ie without also 
triggering the snare sound), unless I set the trigger type to DT 
Snare (instead of misc 2) but then the snare itself sound like crap.

Btw I decided to connect it to 9/10 input, and I left the old 3zone 
snare in input 2 for effect cowbels etc use. The kit looks and feels 
great, with just the addition of a snare stand - I completely 
modified the rack to fit this, but It really feels great.
I'll post some pics soon.

So, everything works perfectly except the rim sound. Any help would 
be greatly appreciated



Happy new year.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "yoavf21" <yoavf21@y...> wrote:
> I can't get the rim sound to trigger proprely (ie without also 
> triggering the snare sound), unless I set the trigger type to DT 
> Snare (instead of misc 2) but then the snare itself sound like crap.
> 
> Btw I decided to connect it to 9/10 input

Yoav,

Just a thought: input 9/10 seems to be less responsive than inputs 1-
6, which can be further adjusted with the DIP sensitivity switches in 
the back of the module, which are tailor-made for the DT setting. I 
remember having Pintech meshes that didn't trigger well through 9/10 
but worked much better with the DT snare setting in one of the first 
6. I don't know if you tried to set rejection parameters to deal with 
the problem. They might help, but if you have to set them too high, 
they will defeat your purpose. You might also reduce the gain and 
raise the minimum velocity of whichever trigger is misbehaving. I 
seem to recall that Stephen had trouble with crosstalk between the 
rim and head, though I may be wrong. The mesh set to DT snare at  
high sensitivity might be a better bet in the end.

Ed

I found this post and am having similar problems with a ConcertCast 
10" snare. I own a DTXpress I and when I replaced the stereo Yamaha 
pad with the Pintech the rim trigger wouldn't register or make a 
sound. I plugged it in to the 9/10 and presto rim and pad working 
like they are supposed to. 

Is there a way to trick the old brains into playing a different brand 
snare on the #2 snare input? I can use 9/10 but already have that 
split out to 2 other pads.

I will appreciate any help.

Thanks,

Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "yoavf21" <yoavf21@y...> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Thanks to stephen I could set the snare settings right but there's 
a 
> small problem.
> 
> I can't get the rim sound to trigger proprely (ie without also 
> triggering the snare sound), unless I set the trigger type to DT 
> Snare (instead of misc 2) but then the snare itself sound like crap.
> 
> Btw I decided to connect it to 9/10 input, and I left the old 3zone 
> snare in input 2 for effect cowbels etc use. The kit looks and 
feels 

> great, with just the addition of a snare stand - I completely 
> modified the rack to fit this, but It really feels great.
> I'll post some pics soon.
> 
> So, everything works perfectly except the rim sound. Any help would 
> be greatly appreciated
> 
> 
> 
> Happy new year.

--- boehmersa wrote:
> Is there a way to trick the old brains into playing a
> different brand snare on the #2 snare input? I can use
> 9/10 but already have that split out to 2 other pads.

It's nothing to do with the age of the module. The Pintech is a dual-
piezo pad - one for head, one for rim - but the Yamaha inputs 1 
through 8 are stereo, with one piezo for the pad and a switch for 
the rim. You can either plug the pad into #2 and split the rim out 
to 9 or 10 (which has the benefit that the stock kits will basically 
work ok) or just split it into 9/10.

Stewart

Thanks for the info ... The funny thing was I plugged the same snare into a
DTXPress II and it picked up the rim and pad on the #2 input ... Time to
upgrade I guess!

Scott
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "moosetication" <moosetication@...>
To: <DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: ConcertCast snare continued.


> --- boehmersa wrote:
> > Is there a way to trick the old brains into playing a
> > different brand snare on the #2 snare input? I can use
> > 9/10 but already have that split out to 2 other pads.
>
> It's nothing to do with the age of the module. The Pintech is a dual-
> piezo pad - one for head, one for rim - but the Yamaha inputs 1
> through 8 are stereo, with one piezo for the pad and a switch for
> the rim. You can either plug the pad into #2 and split the rim out
> to 9 or 10 (which has the benefit that the stock kits will basically
> work ok) or just split it into 9/10.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
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--- Scott Boehmer wrote:
> The funny thing was I plugged the same snare into a
> DTXPress II and it picked up the rim and pad on the
> #2 input ... Time to upgrade I guess!

No, that was pure luck I'm afraid. No current Yamaha module has dual-
piezo snare inputs. It will have been simple good fortune that the 
rim strike generated a signal whose shape was "seen" by the module 
as if it was a switch transition at exactly the same time as it 
picked up a main pad strike, which is how the rim switch works. You 
can't rely on that being consistent.

Stewart

Ahhh ... that does make sense ... I guess it will go into 9/10 and I am on
reconfiguration 153 for the 3 1/2 years that I have had this kit 8~)

Thanks for your response Stewart
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "moosetication" <moosetication@...>
To: <DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:37 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: ConcertCast snare continued.


> --- Scott Boehmer wrote:
> > The funny thing was I plugged the same snare into a
> > DTXPress II and it picked up the rim and pad on the
> > #2 input ... Time to upgrade I guess!
>
> No, that was pure luck I'm afraid. No current Yamaha module has dual-
> piezo snare inputs. It will have been simple good fortune that the
> rim strike generated a signal whose shape was "seen" by the module
> as if it was a switch transition at exactly the same time as it
> picked up a main pad strike, which is how the rim switch works. You
> can't rely on that being consistent.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress
>
> Alternate DTXpress site:
>   http://www.dtxpressions.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

--- Scott Boehmer wrote:
> I guess ... I am on reconfiguration 153 for the
> 3 1/2 years that I have had this kit 8~)

Pah, you're not even trying. I can get that high in a single night...

:-)

Stewart

speaking of this, I was fantasizing last night (wait
that sounds weird....nevermind...) just before I fell
asleep about Pintech having a closer relationship with
Yamaha, and producing a DTXpress compatible three-zone
woven head snare, in my dreams that was sooooo sweet..
now that I'm awake, it still seems pretty cool, id go
for a 10" Snare so it wouldn't look too big compared
to the pads, anyway, It would also be cool to use zone
9/10 for a concertcast 10" Snare and use the TP65S for
other 3 sounds.



--- boehmersa <SBoehmer@...> wrote:
> I found this post and am having similar problems
> with a ConcertCast 
> 10" snare. I own a DTXpress I and when I replaced
> the stereo Yamaha 
> pad with the Pintech the rim trigger wouldn't
> register or make a 
> sound. I plugged it in to the 9/10 and presto rim
> and pad working 
> like they are supposed to. 
> 
> Is there a way to trick the old brains into playing
> a different brand 
> snare on the #2 snare input? I can use 9/10 but
> already have that 
> split out to 2 other pads.
> 
> I will appreciate any help.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "yoavf21"
> <yoavf21@y...> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > Thanks to stephen I could set the snare settings
> right but there's 
> a 
> > small problem.
> > 
> > I can't get the rim sound to trigger proprely (ie
> without also 
> > triggering the snare sound), unless I set the
> trigger type to DT 
> > Snare (instead of misc 2) but then the snare
> itself sound like crap.
> > 
> > Btw I decided to connect it to 9/10 input, and I
> left the old 3zone 
> > snare in input 2 for effect cowbels etc use. The
> kit looks and 
> feels 
> > great, with just the addition of a snare stand - I
> completely 
> > modified the rack to fit this, but It really feels
> great.
> > I'll post some pics soon.
> > 
> > So, everything works perfectly except the rim
> sound. Any help would 
> > be greatly appreciated
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Happy new year.
> 
> 


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