Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I'm running a cym. trigger. Is it possible to run and tom trigger to 
a tom trigger to the same input. And if I can, how? Thanks Sean

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mtnbikn_va" <mtnbikn_va@y...> wrote:
> I'm running a cym. trigger. Is it possible to run and tom trigger 
to 
> a tom trigger to the same input. And if I can, how? 

Sean,

One post ago, Rich described exactly what you need: a HOSA YPP-117 
(or other company's designation) to split 9/10 into two 1/4" mono 
females
which you can see at http://www.directproaudio.com/product.cfm?
directid=34032. It's known in some circles aa a TRS splitter (tip, 
ring, sleeve) or "Y" splitter. You plug the single stereo end into 
9/10 and the mono cables from your cymbal and your tom into the other 
two ends of the "Y" and Voila. 

Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	mtnbikn_va [SMTP:mtnbikn_va@...]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:56 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] channel 9/10 question
> 
> I'm running a cym. trigger. Is it possible to run and tom trigger to 
> a tom trigger to the same input. And if I can, how? Thanks Sean
> 
> 
> Sean and others,
> 
Since we have had several dozen new members join the group in the past
month, I thought I would throw this out as a prelude to the manual that is
currently being assembled by Stewart.


Mono zone input = one piezo input

Dual zone input = two piezo inputs

Stereo zone input = one piezo input + one or two ribbon FSR switches

FSR ribbons and Piezo are not the same and are not interchangable or
subsitutable.



The DtxpressI module has simalar inputs to the DtxpressII module but with
the following exceptions:

-The I has only Stereo 2-zone inputs and not Stereo 3-zone inputs on zones
2,5,6.

-The I has choking ability on all zones 1-8, the II only has it on zones
2,5,6. 

(An updated rom chip was created for the II to allow for choking on all
zones 1-8.)



The DtxpressII module input zones are:

Zone 1 - Stereo (2-zone): pad-piezo + one rim ribbon switch (non-choking
zone)

Zone 2 - Stereo (3-zone): Pad-piezo + two rim ribbon switches (choking zone)

Zone 3 - Stereo (2-zone): Pad-piezo + one rim ribbon switch (non-choking
zone)

Zone 4 - Stereo (2-zone): Pad-piezo + one rim ribbon switch (non-choking
zone)

Zone 5 - Stereo (2-zone): Pad-piezo + one rim ribbon switch (non-choking
zone)

Zone 6 - Stereo (3-zone): Pad-piezo + two rim ribbon switches (choking zone)

Zone 7 - Stereo (3-zone): Pad-piezo + two rim ribbon switches (choking zone)

Zone 8 - Stereo (2-zone): Pad-piezo + one rim ribbon switch (non-choking)

Zone 9 - Mono (1-zone): Pad-piezo (non-choking)

Zone 10 - Mono (1-zone): Pad-piezo (non-choking)

Zones 9/10 can be combined for use with a Dual zone input (2-piezo) pads.

If a Stereo pad is connected to Zone 9 or 10, then only the Piezo zone will
be usable and the rim ribbon swith will not.

Zone 9/10 can be used with the Barpad BP80, which is a Dual zone input
device (2-piezo's).

Zone 9/10 must be used if the second input jack on the KP-65 is put to use.
The KP-65 will trigger zone 9 and the pad (piezo only) will trigger zone 10.

Zones 1-6 have a sensitivity dip switches on the back of the module to boost
the incoming trigger signal to some degree with using acoustic drum triggers
or alternate manufacturers pads. If will boost some but not all alternate
manufacturers pads to an acceptable level.


Some the different Yamaha Pad types:


Trigger Pads TP60, TP65, TP80 are Mono input pads (one piezo).

Trigger Pads TP80S are Stereo 2-zone input pads (one Piezo, one ribbon
switch).

Trigger Pad TP65S is a Stereo 3-zone input pad (one piezo, two ribbon
switches).

Cymbal Pads PCY60, PCY65, PCY80 are Mono input pads (one piezo). 

Cymbal Pads PCY65S, PCY80S are Stereo 2-zone input pads (one piezo, one
ribbon switch) (capable of Choking)

Bell Pad PCY10 is a Mono input pad (one piezo).

Kick Pad KP60 is a Mono input pad (one piezo).

Kick Pad KP65 is a mono input pad (one Piezo) but also has a second input
jack for connection of a Mono input pad or Stereo pad (but only the Piezo
will trigger and not the rim switch). In order to use the second jack a
stereo cable must be used and the KP65 must be plugged into zones 9/10.

Barpad BP80 is a Dual zone input pad (two piezo's). It can be plugged into
any zones 1-8 BUT only one piezo will trigger.....the second piezo will only
trigger if it is plugged in zones 9/10.


So if you are going to use non-Yamaha pads with the Dtxpress, you must first
understand the characteristics of the pad: is it a mono, dual or stereo type
pad?

Pads that are dual zone (two piezos - one for the pad, one for the rim) must
be connected to zones 9/10 if you don't want to use a splitter cable.

If you plug a dual zone pad into zones 1-8, only one of the piezo in the pad
with be detected. To get the other piezo (rim) to work you will need to buy
one or even two splitter cables in order to connect it to one of the other
available zones in the module.

Hope that helps until the manual comes out.

OGD
 
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Thanks Ed. That other post was all french to me. I'm completely new 
to the electronic drum world. Sean

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mtnbikn_va" <mtnbikn_va@y...> 
wrote:
> Thanks Ed. That other post was all french to me. I'm completely 
new 
> to the electronic drum world. Sean

Sean,

Sorry about overwhelming you so soon. 

Ed,

I think this is a good example of "a picture is worth a thousand 
words".

I had started drawing sketches of various connection schemes of 
trigger pads, in order to post in the files section for Sean, but 
was running short of time this afternoon. (work,work,work keeps 
getting in the way) The sketches shows the basic connection schemes, 
as well as the connection schemes of various types of pads using the 
splitter cables. Instead of, I posted, something I had created 
months ago. Bad decision on my part. 

We may want to give this more consideration with the Manual. In 
other words, maybee it should be more graphical in nature on 
subjects that new members ask about and more verbose (less 
graphical) for the more in-depth issues.

OGD

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
> I had started drawing sketches of various connection schemes of 
> trigger pads, in order to post in the files section for Sean, but 
> was running short of time this afternoon. (work,work,work keeps 
> getting in the way) The sketches shows the basic connection 
schemes, 
> as well as the connection schemes of various types of pads using 
the 
> splitter cables. Instead of, I posted, something I had created 
> months ago. Bad decision on my part. 
> 
> We may want to give this more consideration with the Manual. In 
> other words, maybee it should be more graphical in nature on 
> subjects that new members ask about and more verbose (less 
> graphical) for the more in-depth issues.

OGD,

You've got a good point about illustrations. We certainly want to 
encourage people to discuss anything that comes to mind, but whatever 
we can do to give them a leg up on the basics will make life out of 
the box that much simpler. You and Stewart have certainly been 
working overtime lately. 

Ed