Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

hello everyone,

i'm contemplating buying as many as 6 new pintech tc 10's in order to 
emulate a much fuller cymbal set up. however i've never seen or used 
these cymbals before and haven't heard much about them at all. if 
anybody in the group has any experience with them, please let me 
know, even if its something short it would be much appreciated!

thanks
pete

Pete,

I just received my dtxpress last week, and also want extand cymbal 
set up
But how to plug into the dtxpress ? Need an add-on box ? which one ?
Could I record the whole to my PC computer ?
Thanks for help


> hello everyone,
> 
> i'm contemplating buying as many as 6 new pintech tc 10's in order 
to 
> emulate a much fuller cymbal set up. however i've never seen or 
used 

> these cymbals before and haven't heard much about them at all. if 
> anybody in the group has any experience with them, please let me 
> know, even if its something short it would be much appreciated!
> 
> thanks
> pete

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "peterpan" <malakies2000@y...> wrote:
> 
> hello everyone,
> 
> i'm contemplating buying as many as 6 new pintech tc 10's in order 
to 
> emulate a much fuller cymbal set up. however i've never seen or 
used 
> these cymbals before and haven't heard much about them at all. if 
> anybody in the group has any experience with them, please let me 
> know, even if its something short it would be much appreciated!

Hi Pete,

I don't remember what your cymbals are now, so I don't know exactly 
what you'd be expecting the TCs to do. I've played them (I've tried a 
lot of gear, but not enough :-). I'd say that their level of 
comparative performance matches their rank in the cost scale. If 
you're used to the main cymbal lines of Yamaha, Roland, Hart, Visu-
lite, and Pintech (even with any personal reservations that you might 
have about any of them), the TC series will be decidedly inferior. I 
remember them choking themselves and triggering too erratically to be 
dependable in serious situations. As placeholders in a largely 
practice configuration, however, they may be fine. Pintech's new line 
(the PCs) are a better bet (I've never tried them; I wish Brian would 
send me one). I realize that the price is twice as high, but maybe 
you could get three PC10s instead of six TC10s.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gorebeuzit" <optimax@t...> wrote:

> I just received my dtxpress last week, and also want extand cymbal 
> set up
> But how to plug into the dtxpress ? Need an add-on box ? which one ?
> Could I record the whole to my PC computer ?

It's big, basic questions like yours that have led us to work at 
producing a supplement to the DTXpress manual. Out of the box, the 
DTXpress comes with one free input, designated as 9/10, which is (as 
you might have guessed) actually two inputs in one (reminiscent of a 
certain breath mint). Via this one input, you can add two single-
sound pads (using a TRS cable splitter) or one dual-zone pad with two 
piezos (using either an insert cable or the same sort of splitter, 
depending on the pad). A dual-sound (stereo) pad, with a piezo and at 
least one rim switch,like one of the bow-edge cymbals that presumably 
came with your DTXpress, will only make the bow or main sound through 
9/10 no matter what you do. This type of pad gets two sounds only in 
inputs 1-8. 

Since the DTXpress has only limited expandability, many people use 
multiple modules, connected by a mixer, to make bigger kits (check 
out OGD's spectacular three-module configuration in the photos). 
Others add inputs with trigger to MIDI devices like Roland's TMC-6, 
which borrow sounds from a module through MIDI since they have none 
of their own.

As for "recording the whole to my PC," I'll let that question ride 
for a while, unless someone else has a simple take on it; it opens up 
too many cans of worms at this stage. 

Feel free to come back with specific questions. We can break down 
some of these confusing generalities if we proceed one step at a time.

Ed

Also, don't limit your thinking on zones 9/10. If you just leave all your
current pads on the zones that they are setup for, then you just have two
single zone inputs to play with (9/10).

On the other hand, you should remember that pads connected to zones
1(KP65),3(TP-65),4(TP-65),5(TP-65),6(PCY-65) are all single zone pads that
are connected to stereo zones no 1,3,4,5 and to a stereo 3-zone no. 6. 

By moving your single zone toms 2 and 3 to the zones 9/10, you open up two
stereo zones 4 & 5 that can be used with stereo cymbals like the PCY65S.

You could also, move the single zone pads tom4(zone 5) and the ride(zone6)
to zones 9/10 and open up a stereo input (bow/edge)  to put a PCY65S and a
stereo 3-zone (bow/edge/cup) which you could put one of the new PCY150 3zone
cymbals to be released here the first of next year.

You can also use one of Stewart's tricks: if you what two crashes, one on
the left side, one on the right side that can have the same sound
assignment, they can be connected to just one zone. For example, you could
take two PCY65S and add a stereo splitter cable and connect them to zone 7
and they will both work (bow,edge w/choking).

OGD

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> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gorebeuzit" <optimax@t...> wrote:
> 
> > I just received my dtxpress last week, and also want extand cymbal 
> > set up
> > But how to plug into the dtxpress ? Need an add-on box ? which one ?
> > Could I record the whole to my PC computer ?
> 
> It's big, basic questions like yours that have led us to work at 
> producing a supplement to the DTXpress manual. Out of the box, the 
> DTXpress comes with one free input, designated as 9/10, which is (as 
> you might have guessed) actually two inputs in one (reminiscent of a 
> certain breath mint). Via this one input, you can add two single-
> sound pads (using a TRS cable splitter) or one dual-zone pad with two 
> piezos (using either an insert cable or the same sort of splitter, 
> depending on the pad). A dual-sound (stereo) pad, with a piezo and at 
> least one rim switch,like one of the bow-edge cymbals that presumably 
> came with your DTXpress, will only make the bow or main sound through 
> 9/10 no matter what you do. This type of pad gets two sounds only in 
> inputs 1-8. 
> 
> Since the DTXpress has only limited expandability, many people use 
> multiple modules, connected by a mixer, to make bigger kits (check 
> out OGD's spectacular three-module configuration in the photos). 
> Others add inputs with trigger to MIDI devices like Roland's TMC-6, 
> which borrow sounds from a module through MIDI since they have none 
> of their own.
> 
> As for "recording the whole to my PC," I'll let that question ride 
> for a while, unless someone else has a simple take on it; it opens up 
> too many cans of worms at this stage. 
> 
> Feel free to come back with specific questions. We can break down 
> some of these confusing generalities if we proceed one step at a time.
> 
> Ed
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Thank you very much OGD
Very useful

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> Also, don't limit your thinking on zones 9/10. If you just leave 
all your
> current pads on the zones that they are setup for, then you just 
have two
> single zone inputs to play with (9/10).
> 
> On the other hand, you should remember that pads connected to zones
> 1(KP65),3(TP-65),4(TP-65),5(TP-65),6(PCY-65) are all single zone 
pads that
> are connected to stereo zones no 1,3,4,5 and to a stereo 3-zone no. 
6. 
> 
> By moving your single zone toms 2 and 3 to the zones 9/10, you open 
up two
> stereo zones 4 & 5 that can be used with stereo cymbals like the 
PCY65S.
> 
> You could also, move the single zone pads tom4(zone 5) and the ride
(zone6)
> to zones 9/10 and open up a stereo input (bow/edge)  to put a 
PCY65S and a
> stereo 3-zone (bow/edge/cup) which you could put one of the new 
PCY150 3zone
> cymbals to be released here the first of next year.
> 
> You can also use one of Stewart's tricks: if you what two crashes, 
one on
> the left side, one on the right side that can have the same sound
> assignment, they can be connected to just one zone. For example, 
you could
> take two PCY65S and add a stereo splitter cable and connect them to 
zone 7
> and they will both work (bow,edge w/choking).
> 
> OGD
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	emf [SMTP:liberatusvirus@y...]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:43 PM
> > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: pintech tc 10's
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gorebeuzit" <optimax@t...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > > I just received my dtxpress last week, and also want extand 
cymbal 
> > > set up
> > > But how to plug into the dtxpress ? Need an add-on box ? which 
one ?
> > > Could I record the whole to my PC computer ?
> > 
> > It's big, basic questions like yours that have led us to work at 
> > producing a supplement to the DTXpress manual. Out of the box, 
the 
> > DTXpress comes with one free input, designated as 9/10, which is 
(as 
> > you might have guessed) actually two inputs in one (reminiscent 
of a 
> > certain breath mint). Via this one input, you can add two single-
> > sound pads (using a TRS cable splitter) or one dual-zone pad with 
two 
> > piezos (using either an insert cable or the same sort of 
splitter, 
> > depending on the pad). A dual-sound (stereo) pad, with a piezo 
and at 
> > least one rim switch,like one of the bow-edge cymbals that 
presumably 
> > came with your DTXpress, will only make the bow or main sound 
through 
> > 9/10 no matter what you do. This type of pad gets two sounds only 
in 
> > inputs 1-8. 
> > 
> > Since the DTXpress has only limited expandability, many people 
use 
> > multiple modules, connected by a mixer, to make bigger kits 
(check 
> > out OGD's spectacular three-module configuration in the photos). 
> > Others add inputs with trigger to MIDI devices like Roland's TMC-
6, 
> > which borrow sounds from a module through MIDI since they have 
none 
> > of their own.
> > 
> > As for "recording the whole to my PC," I'll let that question 
ride 
> > for a while, unless someone else has a simple take on it; it 
opens up 
> > too many cans of worms at this stage. 
> > 
> > Feel free to come back with specific questions. We can break down 
> > some of these confusing generalities if we proceed one step at a 
time.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
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cheers ed, gonna go with 4 pc's.



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "peterpan" <malakies2000@y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > hello everyone,
> > 
> > i'm contemplating buying as many as 6 new pintech tc 10's in 
order 
> to 
> > emulate a much fuller cymbal set up. however i've never seen or 
> used 
> > these cymbals before and haven't heard much about them at all. if 
> > anybody in the group has any experience with them, please let me 
> > know, even if its something short it would be much appreciated!
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> I don't remember what your cymbals are now, so I don't know exactly 
> what you'd be expecting the TCs to do. I've played them (I've tried 
a 
> lot of gear, but not enough :-). I'd say that their level of 
> comparative performance matches their rank in the cost scale. If 
> you're used to the main cymbal lines of Yamaha, Roland, Hart, Visu-
> lite, and Pintech (even with any personal reservations that you 
might 
> have about any of them), the TC series will be decidedly inferior. 
I 
> remember them choking themselves and triggering too erratically to 
be 
> dependable in serious situations. As placeholders in a largely 
> practice configuration, however, they may be fine. Pintech's new 
line 
> (the PCs) are a better bet (I've never tried them; I wish Brian 
would 

> send me one). I realize that the price is twice as high, but maybe 
> you could get three PC10s instead of six TC10s.
> 
> Ed