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DTXpress II add ons

DTXpress II add ons

2003-12-18 by smcevenue

Hello to all!!

I have been monitoring this group for several months now.  Very, 
very helpful.  This is my first post.

I have the standard DTXpress II components now but wish to add a 
Yamaha dual zoned cymbal, another Yamaha tom and the Yamaha bar pad, 
in that order of preference.  

Is there a configuration that will allow me to do all of this with 
one module?  If so, what connection configuration would I use.  If 
not, what is the limit to my plan and what connection configuration 
is necessary for that?

Thanks very much!!

Sean

Re: DTXpress II add ons

2003-12-18 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "smcevenue" <seann@s...> wrote:
> Hello to all!!
> 
> I have been monitoring this group for several months now.  Very, 
> very helpful.  This is my first post.
> 
> I have the standard DTXpress II components now but wish to add a 
> Yamaha dual zoned cymbal, another Yamaha tom and the Yamaha bar 
pad, 
> in that order of preference.  
> 
> Is there a configuration that will allow me to do all of this with 
> one module?  If so, what connection configuration would I use.  If 
> not, what is the limit to my plan and what connection configuration 
> is necessary for that?

Hi Sean,

Welcome to the world of the posters. Nice to have you among us. The 
total number of inputs that you need for what you want is four. As 
configured out of the box, you have 9/10 free, which is tailormade 
for the barpad, which uses two inputs to make two sounds, but you'd 
be out of luck for the other pads. But the barpad wasn't your 
priority. A Yamaha stereo cymbal through 9/10 would only give you the 
bow sound, not the edge, because the bow/edge pads translate into one 
stereo input (inputs 2-7), not two mono inputs. Instead, you could 
place it in one of your current tom inputs (3, 4, or 5), which are 
equipped to handle a stereo pad, relocating your mono tom to input 9 
or 10 (via one mono lead from a TRS splitter). Then you could connect 
your new tom to input 10 (via the other mono lead from the splitter). 
In this scenario, you'd have to add new inputs with a second module 
or MIDI device to accommodate the barpad--unless I've done the math 
wrong. OGD usually whips through this question without missing a beat.

One more thing, if you end up swapping one of your stock toms to 
input 9/10, then your kit would no longer be set up to take easy 
advantage of the factory kits. But if you pretty much rely on your 
own programs, no great loss. You can make the necessary changes in 
the user section.

Ed

RE: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpress II add ons

2003-12-18 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Ed is correct. This is an either/or situation. 

My suggestion would be to move the mono trigger ride cymbal (PCY65) to zone
9. 

Add the new TP65 single zone tom to zone 10.

Then put the new stereo cymbal PCY65S on the ride cymbal zone. That way all
the stock kits will still work as setup for zones 1-8. 

Then you would just have copy your favorite factory kit to a user kit and
add the voices for zones 9/10. Make the extra Tom on zone 10 to be the
highest or lowest tom, so that you don't have to change anything with the
stock tom's.

If your purpose for adding the extra cymbal is to have say two crash with
the same sound, Then you could Y-splitter it with the first crash and
connect to the same zone input on the module. The cymbals would be
paralleled, so you would get the same sound from both, but you would only
use one zone input.

 OR If you just need to add an extra crash/china/splash, you could just make
the bow of the origninal PCY65S stereo pad that came with the kit the "ride"
cymbal and make the edge trigger a "crash" cymbal. This would save adding
another cymbal. Remember you have two cymbals in the stock kit but you can
generate three sounds with them (PCY65=bow; PCY65S=bow,edge) which could
give you crash,ride,splash.

So if you used this last scenero and put the new TP65 on zone 9, you could
still get a barpad and put it on zone 10 (but you would only be able to use
one zone of it though.)

OGD

To others, on the subject of the barpad:

I was thinking, the barpad has two piezos in it. If you paralleled the
piezo's, but put an in-line resistor on one of them, could you then layer
two sounds (say, wood block/cowbell) and create a crossfade point. So that
if you struck the left pad the signal would be at the normal level that is
passed through that would make one sound, and if you struck the right pad
(with the in-line resistor) you would get a weaker signal and thus the
second sound. This would be very similar to layering sounds on a cymbal pad
with a crossfade.????

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	emf [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...]
> Sent:	Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:03 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: DTXpress II add ons
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "smcevenue" <seann@s...> wrote:
> > Hello to all!!
> > 
> > I have been monitoring this group for several months now.   Very, 
> > very helpful.   This is my first post.
> > 
> > I have the standard DTXpress II components now but wish to add a 
> > Yamaha dual zoned cymbal, another Yamaha tom and the Yamaha bar 
> pad, 
> > in that order of preference.   
> > 
> > Is there a configuration that will allow me to do all of this with 
> > one module?   If so, what connection configuration would I use.   If 
> > not, what is the limit to my plan and what connection configuration 
> > is necessary for that?
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> Welcome to the world of the posters. Nice to have you among us. The 
> total number of inputs that you need for what you want is four. As 
> configured out of the box, you have 9/10 free, which is tailormade 
> for the barpad, which uses two inputs to make two sounds, but you'd 
> be out of luck for the other pads. But the barpad wasn't your 
> priority. A Yamaha stereo cymbal through 9/10 would only give you the 
> bow sound, not the edge, because the bow/edge pads translate into one 
> stereo input (inputs 2-7), not two mono inputs. Instead, you could 
> place it in one of your current tom inputs (3, 4, or 5), which are 
> equipped to handle a stereo pad, relocating your mono tom to input 9 
> or 10 (via one mono lead from a TRS splitter). Then you could connect 
> your new tom to input 10 (via the other mono lead from the splitter). 
> In this scenario, you'd have to add new inputs with a second module 
> or MIDI device to accommodate the barpad--unless I've done the math 
> wrong. OGD usually whips through this question without missing a beat.
> 
> One more thing, if you end up swapping one of your stock toms to 
> input 9/10, then your kit would no longer be set up to take easy 
> advantage of the factory kits. But if you pretty much rely on your 
> own programs, no great loss. You can make the necessary changes in 
> the user section.
> 
> Ed
> 
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Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpress II add ons

2003-12-19 by Sean McEvenue

To Ed and OGD,
Thanks so much for your informed analysis, instructions and recommendations. I'll pense a bit and might have a further query.
Happy Christmas to all who believe.
Sean
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----- Original Message -----
From: emf
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:02 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpress II add ons

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "smcevenue" <seann@s...> wrote:
> Hello to all!!
>
> I have been monitoring this group for several months now. Very,
> very helpful. This is my first post.
>
> I have the standard DTXpress II components now but wish to add a
> Yamaha dual zoned cymbal, another Yamaha tom and the Yamaha bar
pad,
> in that order of preference.
>
> Is there a configuration that will allow me to do all of this with
> one module? If so, what connection configuration would I use. If
> not, what is the limit to my plan and what connection configuration
> is necessary for that?

Hi Sean,

Welcome to the world of the posters. Nice to have you among us. The
total number of inputs that you need for what you want is four. As
configured out of the box, you have 9/10 free, which is tailormade
for the barpad, which uses two inputs to make two sounds, but you'd
be out of luck for the other pads. But the barpad wasn't your
priority. A Yamaha stereo cymbal through 9/10 would only give you the
bow sound, not the edge, because the bow/edge pads translate into one
stereo input (inputs 2-7), not two mono inputs. Instead, you could
place it in one of your current tom inputs (3, 4, or 5), which are
equipped to handle a stereo pad, relocating your mono tom to input 9
or 10 (via one mono lead from a TRS splitter). Then you could connect
your new tom to input 10 (via the other mono lead from the splitter).
In this scenario, you'd have to add new inputs with a second module
or MIDI device to accommodate the barpad--unless I've done the math
wrong. OGD usually whips through this question without missing a beat.

One more thing, if you end up swapping one of your stock toms to
input 9/10, then your kit would no longer be set up to take easy
advantage of the factory kits. But if you pretty much rely on your
own programs, no great loss. You can make the necessary changes in
the user section.

Ed



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