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2004-01-15 by Chris
OK, this is probably a really stupid question but... Is it possible (either theoretically or practically) to convert a PCY65 to a PCY65S? Just something I was pondering when I should've been doing something far more productive! :-) Chris
2004-01-15 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Chris, Is it physically possible......Yes. Is it fiscally possible....No. I contacted Yamaha about the price of the ribbon switches only, not considering the additional circuitry you would need to modify, the ribbon cost more the a new pad. This is true for the TP65 -> TP65S conversion issue. You can get third party ribbon switchs, but they are straight, not curved. The answer is, it is cheaper to just buy a PCY65S than it is to convert a PCY65 into a true PCY65S. Sorry. OGD > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [SMTP:proguk@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:45 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] PCY65 to PCY65S? > > OK, this is probably a really stupid question but... > > Is it possible (either theoretically or practically) to convert a > PCY65 to a PCY65S? > > Just something I was pondering when I should've been doing something > far more productive! :-) > > Chris > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > click here > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c3r53lp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egro > upweb/S=1705031972:HM/EXP=1074282368/A=1945637/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com > /Default?mqso=60178397&partid=4116732> > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egroupm > ail/S=:HM/A=1945637/rand=680882206> > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > <http://www.messagelabs.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________
2004-01-15 by Chris
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > The answer is, it is cheaper to just buy a PCY65S than it is to convert a > PCY65 into a true PCY65S.
2004-01-15 by Chris
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > The answer is, it is cheaper to just buy a PCY65S than it is to convert a > PCY65 into a true PCY65S. OGD, Thanks for the quick response. I had a feeling that would be the answer but was curious nonetheless. It looks like my next upgrade will leave my poor old PCY65 abandoned and unwanted :-( It really is great to be a member of such a knowledgeable community where 9 times out of 10 questions are answered quickly and intelligently. Not sure how badly I would've been flamed if I'd asked this question on Usenet! Chris
2004-01-15 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Chris, Don't abandon it, you can still use it! You can parallel connect it with one of the other PCY65(s) pads and put it on the other side of you kit. It will share the same voice as the pad you parallel it with, but it will give you say two crashes with the same sound or to rides with the same sound. Or give it a try as a hihat pad, swap it with the TP-65. If you parallel it with another mono pad, you will need a mono to two mono splitter cable or connector. If you parallel it with a stereo pad, you will need a stereo splitter cable or connector. Of course when you parallel it with the stereo pad, only the pad sound will trigger when you strike the PCY65. Just something else to keep in mind. OGD > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [SMTP:proguk@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:09 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: PCY65 to PCY65S? > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > > The answer is, it is cheaper to just buy a PCY65S than it is to > convert a > > PCY65 into a true PCY65S. > > OGD, > > Thanks for the quick response. > > I had a feeling that would be the answer but was curious > nonetheless. It looks like my next upgrade will leave my poor old > PCY65 abandoned and unwanted :-( > > It really is great to be a member of such a knowledgeable community > where 9 times out of 10 questions are answered quickly and > intelligently. Not sure how badly I would've been flamed if I'd > asked this question on Usenet! > > Chris > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > <http://www.messagelabs.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________
2004-01-15 by Chris
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > You can parallel connect it with one of the other PCY65(s) pads and put it > on the other side of you kit. It will share the same voice as the pad you > parallel it with, but it will give you say two crashes with the same sound > or to rides with the same sound. What an excellent idea! I hadn't thought of that but it makes perfect sense. Sometimes it's easy to overlook the obvious. You've got me thinking now. > Or give it a try as a hihat pad, swap it with the TP-65. Already got a PCY65S as the hihat pad. Much nicer than the TP65 and gives me the edge sound I craved since getting my 'II'. I use the TP65 as a fourth tom. Thanks again for your knowledge. Chris
2004-01-15 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
If you want see the extreme, go back and look at my post about my three-zone hihat setup on post 7195. You use just one HH65 to control a PCY10 which is the bell of the hihat and a PCY65S which is the pad/edge of the hihat. But you will need two modules. Or you can just use the PCY65 you have as a second hihat pad on the other side of the kit and still using just one HH65 pedal. OGD > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [SMTP:proguk@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:30 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: PCY65 to PCY65S? > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > > You can parallel connect it with one of the other PCY65(s) pads > and put it > > on the other side of you kit. It will share the same voice as the > pad you > > parallel it with, but it will give you say two crashes with the > same sound > > or to rides with the same sound. > > What an excellent idea! I hadn't thought of that but it makes > perfect sense. Sometimes it's easy to overlook the obvious. You've > got me thinking now. > > > Or give it a try as a hihat pad, swap it with the TP-65. > > Already got a PCY65S as the hihat pad. Much nicer than the TP65 and > gives me the edge sound I craved since getting my 'II'. I use the > TP65 as a fourth tom. > > Thanks again for your knowledge. > > Chris > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > <http://www.messagelabs.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________
2004-01-15 by Chris
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > If you want see the extreme, go back and look at my post about my three-zone > hihat setup on post 7195. > > You use just one HH65 to control a PCY10 which is the bell of the hihat and > a PCY65S which is the pad/edge of the hihat. But you will need two modules. > > Or you can just use the PCY65 you have as a second hihat pad on the other > side of the kit and still using just one HH65 pedal. Many options to consider indeed. A PCY150 is next on my list of purchases (if it ever appears here in the UK) and then I can see what's what with the gear I currently have. If only the PCY65 could be wired to be the 'rim' of a tom input. Chris
2004-01-15 by moosetication
--- OGD wrote: > If you parallel it with a stereo pad, you will > need a stereo splitter cable or connector. I got sick of splitters yesterday, so I went mad with a soldering iron. Took my 65/65S combo and wired 'em into a single stereo plug. Did the same with my two toms on 9/10, wiring the mono cables into a single stereo plug too. *Much* better. Stewart
2004-01-15 by moosetication
--- Chris wrote: > If only the PCY65 could be wired to be the 'rim' > of a tom input. Y'know, I've been wondering about that. It does not seem beyond the wit of man to come up with a simple electronic doo-dad to render a piezo hit and make it appear on a stereo input as if the switch was also closed. You could then split it into a stereo input, and striking it would *always* fire the rim sound for that pad. Stewart
2004-01-15 by moosetication
--- OGD wrote: > Is it physically possible......Yes. > Is it fiscally possible....No. > ...it is cheaper to just buy a PCY65S than it is to > convert a PCY65 into a true PCY65S. I hate to (slightly) disagree with my elders and betters. However, if all you wanted to achieve was chokability - rather than having an edge sound - you could try this: http://www.derksens.com/E-drums/Beatnik/chokeablecymbals.htm Stewart
2004-01-15 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
> --- Stewart wrote: > > "I got sick of splitters yesterday, so I went mad with a soldering > iron. Took my 65/65S combo and wired 'em into a single stereo plug. > Did the same with my two toms on 9/10, wiring the mono cables into a > single stereo plug too. *Much* better." > Stewart, Where I have two mono pads going to inputs 9/10 on the module, I am using the HOSA insert cables. But with this last experiment with the hihat, I ended up just using some Radio Shack gold Y-Jacks for convenience, since I was taking two stereo's to one stereo jack and not trying to split two mono's into one stereo plug. Plus with my "cable conduit system" cross-wiring things are alot easier. OGD ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________
2004-01-15 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Stewart, The problem is that you would have to strike the first pad with the piezo at the same time as the second pad with the piezo, in order for the module to believe that it is really the rim switch triggering in the first pad. The only way to trigger the rim switch with the dtxpress module is for the pad piezo and the rim switch to fire at the same time. Apparently the vibration from striking the rim is just enough to send a signal through the piezo, to tell the module to trigger the rim voice. I guess when the rim is struck, the module checks to see if the pad piezo also registers a slight signal, it then sounds the rim voice or if the rim-to-pad is enable, then both the pad and rim will sound off. There must be a threshold level that must be reached with the piezo, to determine if it is an secondary vibration coming from a rim strike or from a primary strike from a pad hit. Once I get some of the newer cymbal pads, drum pads, I am going to get out the welding torch and sawzall and start experimenting with some of the older pads. OGD > -----Original Message----- > From: moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:25 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: PCY65 to PCY65S? > > --- Chris wrote: > > > If only the PCY65 could be wired to be the 'rim' > > of a tom input. > > Y'know, I've been wondering about that. It does not seem beyond the > wit of man to come up with a simple electronic doo-dad to render a > piezo hit and make it appear on a stereo input as if the switch was > also closed. You could then split it into a stereo input, and > striking it would *always* fire the rim sound for that pad. > > Stewart > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > <http://www.messagelabs.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________
2004-01-15 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Stewart, No disagreement, if fact that is what I was referring in my earlier post with my comment of "You can get third party ribbon switchs, but they are straight, not curved." I remember posting last year about converting a TP65 to a TP65S and about the high price quoted from Yamaha Parts Distributor for the ribbon alone and someone else referred me to that site. At the time I said I was looking for a curved flat ribbon that would fit snug inside the TP65/PCY65. I had seen that conversion before, but was thinking purely from the perspective of turning the PCY65 into a true PCY65S, thats all. And by the way, being an elder does make someone better, it just means we wake up in the morning with more aches and pains than other folks. OGD > -----Original Message----- > From: moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:27 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: PCY65 to PCY65S? > > --- OGD wrote: > > Is it physically possible......Yes. > > Is it fiscally possible....No. > > ...it is cheaper to just buy a PCY65S than it is to > > convert a PCY65 into a true PCY65S. > > I hate to (slightly) disagree with my elders and betters. However, > if all you wanted to achieve was chokability - rather than having an > edge sound - you could try this: > > <http://www.derksens.com/E-drums/Beatnik/chokeablecymbals.htm> > > Stewart > > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > <http://www.messagelabs.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________
2004-01-15 by emf
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > Stewart, > By the way, being an elder does [not] make someone better, it just means we > wake up in the morning with more aches and pains than other folks. OGD, I'll bet that Stewart, respectful as he undoubtedly is of his elders, isn't as interested in making you seem "better" as he is in making himself seem younger. Ed
2004-01-15 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Ed, Thanks for adding the [not] Ed to my post. I in the middle of getting a job out before I go home tonight and the fingers don't always type all the words the brain is thinking. Hope you didn't mistake my post, Stewart. Sorry. That is the downside to trying to work 8-5 and keeping an eye out on this group. Some of my response come out without two or three proof readings. OGD > -----Original Message----- > From: emf [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:49 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: PCY65 to PCY65S? > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > Stewart, > > By the way, being an elder does [not] make someone better, it just > means we > > wake up in the morning with more aches and pains than other folks. > > OGD, > > I'll bet that Stewart, respectful as he undoubtedly is of his elders, > isn't as interested in making you seem "better" as he is in making > himself seem younger. > > Ed > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > <http://www.messagelabs.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________
2004-01-15 by moosetication
--- OGD wrote: > The problem is that you would have to strike the first > pad with the piezo at the same time as the second pad > with the piezo, in order for the module to believe that > it is really the rim switch triggering in the first pad. No, I didn't quite make myself clear. Take one mono pad, plug into a stereo input as normal. For the second, take another mono pad and one stereo cable. Wire the piezo (a) tip and sleeve, and (b) through the aforementioned doo-dad (the box on the whiteboard that says "somewhere in here, magic happens") to ring and sleeve. The doo-dad converts a signal off the piezo and converts it to simulate a switch closing (lo-hi, or hi-lo, whichever is appropriate). When the piezo on the second pad is struck, the signal is (a) sent straight to the module and (b) through the doo-dad. So, when you clout the second pad, the module sees the piezo fire AND the rim switch apparently close. Hence, pad sound from the first pad, and rim sound from the second pad. (I'm waving my arms around here, and drawing little pictures in the air. Can you see me?) Stewart
2004-01-15 by moosetication
--- Ed wrote: > I'll bet that Stewart, respectful as he undoubtedly is of his > elders, isn't as interested in making you seem "better" as he > is in making himself seem younger. Oooh, harsh. Fair, but harsh. :-) Stewart
2004-01-16 by oldguydrummer
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> wrote: > --- OGD wrote: > > The problem is that you would have to strike the first > > pad with the piezo at the same time as the second pad > > with the piezo, in order for the module to believe that > > it is really the rim switch triggering in the first pad. > > No, I didn't quite make myself clear. > > Take one mono pad, plug into a stereo input as normal. > > For the second, take another mono pad and one stereo cable. Wire the > piezo (a) tip and sleeve, and (b) through the aforementioned doo- dad > (the box on the whiteboard that says "somewhere in here, magic > happens") to ring and sleeve. The doo-dad converts a signal off the > piezo and converts it to simulate a switch closing (lo-hi, or hi- lo, > whichever is appropriate). When the piezo on the second pad is > struck, the signal is (a) sent straight to the module and (b) > through the doo-dad. So, when you clout the second pad, the module > sees the piezo fire AND the rim switch apparently close. Hence, pad > sound from the first pad, and rim sound from the second pad. > > (I'm waving my arms around here, and drawing little pictures in the > air. Can you see me?) > > Stewart Stewart, I think I understand what you are saying. Pad1(piezo) ==> input 3 - pad trigger Pad2(piezo) ==>[magic box]==> input 3 - rim trigger Right? (I got up on a really tall ladder to try and make out you arm motions in the states here, but with the sun going down, my interpetation maybe a little fuzzy. 8^> .) I think the magic box could be made to work. The only problem is from my experimentation this past weekend, is that Pad1 and Pad2 have to struck at the same time for the rim trigger to respond inside the module. It appears that the module is the limiting factor here. It is expecting to see a signal from piezo at the same time it see the rim triggering. So if we can get the normal rim switch from another pad to trigger, without having to strike the pad piezo, then it would be just a matter of making the magic box. Let take my pads apart again tonight and try something else I just thought about doing on the drive home from work and I'll report back. OGD
2004-01-16 by moosetication
--- OGD wrote: > Pad1(piezo) ==> input 3 - pad trigger > Pad2(piezo) ==>[magic box]==> input 3 - rim trigger Not *quite* - try a taller ladder, and I'll wave a torch. Crucially, Pad2 piezo ALSO goes to input 3 pad trigger. So striking Pad2 ALWAYS activates both the piezo and the magic rim doohickus. Stewart
2004-01-16 by emf
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote: > Pad1(piezo) ==> input 3 - pad trigger > > Pad2(piezo) ==>[magic box]==> input 3 - rim trigger > > Right? (I got up on a really tall ladder to try and make out you arm > motions in the states here, but with the sun going down, my > interpetation maybe a little fuzzy. 8^> .) > > I think the magic box could be made to work. The only problem is > from my experimentation this past weekend, is that Pad1 and Pad2 > have to struck at the same time for the rim trigger to respond > inside the module. It appears that the module is the limiting factor > here. It is expecting to see a signal from piezo at the same time it > see the rim triggering. > > So if we can get the normal rim switch from another pad to trigger, > without having to strike the pad piezo, then it would be just a > matter of making the magic box. > > > Let take my pads apart again tonight and try something else I just > thought about doing on the drive home from work and I'll report back. People seem to have been trying to make this work since the beginning of time without much success. It does seem like there should be a magic box. Short of OGD's electrical design, however, maybe we should rig up a Rube Goldberg contraption to affect the piezo in question just gently enough to make the rim in question fire when the second pad is hit. I can see the cables, nerf balls, chutes, see-saws, and cows suspended above me now. Ed
2004-01-16 by moosetication
--- I wrote: > Crucially, Pad2 piezo ALSO goes to input 3 pad trigger. So > striking Pad2 ALWAYS activates both the piezo and the magic > rim doohickus. Also crucially, the similated rim switch close timing and duration seems to be important. If you just hold the switch closed, and hit the pad, you only get the main pad sound. The MRD (say, that has a nice ring to it) needs to take that into account. If this worked (big if: I'm a plumber, Jim, not an electrician), you could build a small box with two banks of four mono inputs and four stereo outputs. Using the kick and tom1-tom3 inputs, you'd spring four more pads on a DTXPU. Stewart
2004-01-16 by Chris
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> wrote: > If this worked (big if: I'm a plumber, Jim, not an electrician), you > could build a small box with two banks of four mono inputs and four > stereo outputs. Using the kick and tom1-tom3 inputs, you'd spring > four more pads on a DTXPU. Look what can be started by an idle wish. What shall I wish for next? :-) Seriously, I love the way this group takes an idea and runs with it in such a useful and informative way. Chris