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Tennis ball platform

Tennis ball platform

2004-01-16 by Chris

I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation platforms 
( http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/ ) but space is an issue for 
me.  In order to move freely around the room where my kit is I move 
the throne away when not playing.  If I had a platform that was big 
enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over it all 
the time! :-)

Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the stool 
isolated from the floor.  It's certainly got enough height 
adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth.  Any 
thoughts?

Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or off!)?

Chris

Re: Tennis ball platform

2004-01-16 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
> I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation platforms 
> ( http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/ ) but space is an issue for 
> me.  In order to move freely around the room where my kit is I move 
> the throne away when not playing.  If I had a platform that was big 
> enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over it 
all 
> the time! :-)
> 
> Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the stool 
> isolated from the floor.  It's certainly got enough height 
> adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth.  Any 
> thoughts?
> 
> Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or off!)?

Chris,

Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and seems to 
have had success.  Maybe you can contact him privately. Another 
option is located at  http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially the 
Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any help to 
you IN THE UK.

Ed

Re: Tennis ball platform

2004-01-17 by Rob

What does a tennis ball platform do? Is it for e drums or accoustics?


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:



> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
> > I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation 
platforms 
> > ( http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/ ) but space is an issue 
for 
> > me.  In order to move freely around the room where my kit is I 
move 
> > the throne away when not playing.  If I had a platform that was 
big 
> > enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over it 
> all 
> > the time! :-)
> > 
> > Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the stool 
> > isolated from the floor.  It's certainly got enough height 
> > adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth.  Any 
> > thoughts?
> > 
> > Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or 
off!)?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and seems to 
> have had success.  Maybe you can contact him privately. Another 
> option is located at  http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially the 
> Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any help to 
> you IN THE UK.
> 
> Ed

Re: Tennis ball platform

2004-01-17 by Chris

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <robarrie2003@y...> wrote:
> What does a tennis ball platform do? Is it for e drums or 
accoustics?

As far as I'm aware it's a platform that someone designed to reduce 
the amount of vibration that passes from the kit to (and therefore 
through) the floor, particularly from the pedals.

I'm not sure how useful it would be for an acoustic kit as it 
wouldn't do much to reduce the sounds of the drums themselves but 
for an electronic kit it seems ideal (if it works!).

Here's the link to the instructions in case you missed it in my 
earlier post - http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform

Chris

Re: Tennis ball platform

2004-01-17 by Chris

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and seems 
to 
> have had success.  Maybe you can contact him privately. Another 
> option is located at  http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially the 
> Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any help 
to 
> you IN THE UK.

Thanks Ed.  Not sure how I missed his post either originally or 
during my search of the archives.  I shall try harder in future! :-)

I'll probably wait a few days to see if he posts here in this thread 
and if not will try to contact him direct.  It seems more polite 
that way and as we all now this is a very polite group,  certainly 
the most polite I've ever been involved with.

Chris

Re: Tennis ball platform

2004-01-17 by Rob

Maybe another way to reduce vibration is to suspend a platform with 
bungie cords, or heavy springs which are rubber mounted to both the 
ceiling and the floor, and for complete ridance of vibration, is to 
have such a platform in which thousands of opposing refrigerator 
magnets are attached to each surface for suspension, obviosly you 
would have to attach lanyards to keep the platform from hitting the 
walls, and all thats left is ambient vibration, and thats a whole 
different matter I will leave up to a sound guy......
Rob

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <robarrie2003@y...> wrote:
> > What does a tennis ball platform do? Is it for e drums or 
> accoustics?
> 
> As far as I'm aware it's a platform that someone designed to reduce 
> the amount of vibration that passes from the kit to (and therefore 
> through) the floor, particularly from the pedals.
> 
> I'm not sure how useful it would be for an acoustic kit as it 
> wouldn't do much to reduce the sounds of the drums themselves but 
> for an electronic kit it seems ideal (if it works!).
> 
> Here's the link to the instructions in case you missed it in my 
> earlier post - http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform
> 
> Chris

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Tennis ball platform

2004-01-17 by Stephanie Ellison

> ceiling and the floor, and for complete ridance of vibration, is to
> have such a platform in which thousands of opposing refrigerator
> magnets are attached to each surface for suspension, obviosly you
> would have to attach lanyards to keep the platform from hitting the
> walls, 

Unless you also install another thousands' group of those fridge magnets along 
the walls and the suspended platform edges.  You may want to build a short 
perimeter wall fitted with those magnets.  That wall would encircle the 
platform, giving about 9 inches of space (or however it works out depending 
on the magnets) in each direction.  However, don't forget to install several 
magnets on the corners of the platform and walls so that the platform can't 
rotate in place.  You not only want to keep the platform floating, you also 
want it to stay in place horizontally and not spin on its vertical axis.

But two things...  I didn't know that there are these refridgerator magnets 
around.  Won't they be too heavy for floors built out of wood?  What about 
health effects of being inside these giant magnetic fields?

If you know you're going to be there for a long time, you can build an 
isolation room inside the room your drums are in.  Just don't build it so 
that there's construction on the structures of the apartment itself.  Try 
building it so that it can be taken down and moved to another apartment, 
leaving no evidence that such a room was ever there except for the 
depressions in the carpet (furniture does that, too).  Also, make it so that 
you can easily substract or add floor/wall space to fit the dimensions of the 
new room whenever you move.

Here's what you can do.  I don't see myself owning a house in this lifetime, 
but the next best thing is to rent room and board in a house owned by someone 
responsible, someone who works for a living (so you can play while she's out 
somewhere).  In other words, the home owner is my roommate.  I pay $350 + 
utilities a month for my own use of part of the house, instead of the $450 
(not good areas) to $700 (pretty nice areas) a month that's common in Austin.  
That way, sharing common structures is not an issue AND I get to use my money 
for other things, like getting more drum stuff and lessons ;-).

If you're in an apartment lease and you have a few months to go, talk to your 
landlord about moving to a ground floor unit in the apartment complex.  
Sometimes, they'll allow that, like they did with my previous roommate when 
we moved in together into a larger apartment.

I hope this helps, because it's made a big difference in my life when I 
decided to make changes that would benefit me as a musician, and I feel very 
good about it.

Good luck!  Let us know how it goes!

Stephanie

Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor

2004-01-28 by sjr41

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the tip on the Clearsonic IsoFloor 
(http://www.clearsonic.com/) -- I checked out the website, and it 
looks like a really good (tho not exactly cheap) alternative to 
building the tennis ball platform discussed below, which I am really 
not so inclined to build...

I live in a small apartment in NYC, and have had problems with the 
vibrations from my kick pedal rattling the dishes & the picture 
frames on the walls of the apartment below me & bothering the 
neighbors down there.

So, my question is -- has anybody out there actually tried the 
IsoFloor, & if so, how effective is it in cutting vibrations?  Any 
input on this product, pro or con, would be very much appreciated.

Also, given my space & monetary limitations, I am wondering whether 
it might be effective to just get two of the 1' x 1' IsoFloor squares 
(one for the kick pedal & one for the HH, so both feet are level), 
instead of buying enough to make a full platform for the entire kit & 
throne...  Any thoughts on this approach?

Finally, besides the tennis-ball thing, has anyone else come up with 
good (& cheap) ways to minimize the vibrations of the kick pedal?

My neighbor is being very understanding, overall, but I'd love to 
take care of this ASAP, so anything the group can do to advise me on 
this would be great.

Thanks!
Scott



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
> > I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation 
platforms 
> > ( http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/ ) but space is an issue 
for 
> > me.  In order to move freely around the room where my kit is I 
move 
> > the throne away when not playing.  If I had a platform that was 
big 
> > enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over it 
> all 
> > the time! :-)
> > 
> > Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the stool 
> > isolated from the floor.  It's certainly got enough height 
> > adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth.  Any 
> > thoughts?
> > 
> > Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or 
off!)?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and seems to 
> have had success.  Maybe you can contact him privately. Another 
> option is located at  http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially the 
> Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any help to 
> you IN THE UK.
> 
> Ed

Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor

2004-01-28 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Scott,

What you need to try is to just play on the pads only as a trial. Don't use
the hihat or bass pedal. Then see if that causes any problems for the
neighbors. If it does then you may have to go with the full platform. If
that doesn't bother them, then you maybe able to get away with something
limited to just isolating the pedals.

OGD

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	sjr41 [SMTP:sjr41@...]
> Sent:	Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:57 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Thanks for the tip on the Clearsonic IsoFloor 
> ( <http://www.clearsonic.com/)> -- I checked out the website, and it 
> looks like a really good (tho not exactly cheap) alternative to 
> building the tennis ball platform discussed below, which I am really 
> not so inclined to build...
> 
> I live in a small apartment in NYC, and have had problems with the 
> vibrations from my kick pedal rattling the dishes & the picture 
> frames on the walls of the apartment below me & bothering the 
> neighbors down there.
> 
> So, my question is -- has anybody out there actually tried the 
> IsoFloor, & if so, how effective is it in cutting vibrations?   Any 
> input on this product, pro or con, would be very much appreciated.
> 
> Also, given my space & monetary limitations, I am wondering whether 
> it might be effective to just get two of the 1' x 1' IsoFloor squares 
> (one for the kick pedal & one for the HH, so both feet are level), 
> instead of buying enough to make a full platform for the entire kit & 
> throne...   Any thoughts on this approach?
> 
> Finally, besides the tennis-ball thing, has anyone else come up with 
> good (& cheap) ways to minimize the vibrations of the kick pedal?
> 
> My neighbor is being very understanding, overall, but I'd love to 
> take care of this ASAP, so anything the group can do to advise me on 
> this would be great.
> 
> Thanks!
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
> > > I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation 
> platforms 
> > > ( <http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/> ) but space is an issue 
> for 
> > > me.   In order to move freely around the room where my kit is I 
> move 
> > > the throne away when not playing.   If I had a platform that was 
> big 
> > > enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over it 
> > all 
> > > the time! :-)
> > > 
> > > Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the stool 
> > > isolated from the floor.   It's certainly got enough height 
> > > adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth.   Any 
> > > thoughts?
> > > 
> > > Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or 
> off!)?
> > 
> > Chris,
> > 
> > Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and seems to 
> > have had success.   Maybe you can contact him privately. Another 
> > option is located at   <http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially> the 
> > Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any help to 
> > you IN THE UK.
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> 
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Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor

2004-01-29 by gollywillickers

hi Scott.

i am in the NY area and i'm in a similar situation. 

i will be building a shock absorbing floor riser for myself and one for a friend 
who owns a DTXpress - for whom i've been doing some recording. 

i've been working on several different designs. the design i'm leaning toward 
for the current riser is based on essentially the same principals as the Tennis 
ball platform but is implemented a bit differently.

if you'd be interested in having me build one for you while i'm doing these 
others - maybe we could work something out. 

i've designed and built many things over the years, professionally. this will be 
done right. and i do have the design directive in mind of affordability and 
portability that my own city apartment demands.

anyway, i just thought i'd mention it.

:)










--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "sjr41" <sjr41@c...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Thanks for the tip on the Clearsonic IsoFloor 
> (http://www.clearsonic.com/) -- I checked out the website, and it 
> looks like a really good (tho not exactly cheap) alternative to 
> building the tennis ball platform discussed below, which I am really 
> not so inclined to build...
> 
> I live in a small apartment in NYC, and have had problems with the 
> vibrations from my kick pedal rattling the dishes & the picture 
> frames on the walls of the apartment below me & bothering the 
> neighbors down there.
> 
> So, my question is -- has anybody out there actually tried the 
> IsoFloor, & if so, how effective is it in cutting vibrations?  Any 
> input on this product, pro or con, would be very much appreciated.
> 
> Also, given my space & monetary limitations, I am wondering whether 
> it might be effective to just get two of the 1' x 1' IsoFloor squares 
> (one for the kick pedal & one for the HH, so both feet are level), 
> instead of buying enough to make a full platform for the entire kit & 
> throne...  Any thoughts on this approach?
> 
> Finally, besides the tennis-ball thing, has anyone else come up with 
> good (& cheap) ways to minimize the vibrations of the kick pedal?
> 
> My neighbor is being very understanding, overall, but I'd love to 
> take care of this ASAP, so anything the group can do to advise me on 
> this would be great.
> 
> Thanks!
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
> > > I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation 
> platforms 
> > > ( http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/ ) but space is an issue 
> for 
> > > me.  In order to move freely around the room where my kit is I 
> move 
> > > the throne away when not playing.  If I had a platform that was 
> big 
> > > enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over it 
> > all 
> > > the time! :-)
> > > 
> > > Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the stool 
> > > isolated from the floor.  It's certainly got enough height 
> > > adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth.  Any 
> > > thoughts?
> > > 
> > > Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or 
> off!)?
> > 
> > Chris,
> > 
> > Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and seems to 
> > have had success.  Maybe you can contact him privately. Another 
> > option is located at  http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially the 
> > Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any help to 
> > you IN THE UK.
> > 
> > Ed

Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor

2004-01-29 by sjr41

Wow, thanks -- I apreciate the offer -- but I am glad to say not only 
that it won't be necessary, but also that I have a different (& 
cheaper & easier) idea for you (& others) to try before you start 
building anything.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I am lucky in that my neighbor 
has been surprisingly good about trying to "work together to find a 
solution" to the noise situation.  So, last night, when I went to 
tell her that I was looking into the tennis ball deal and/or the Iso-
Floor thing, she said she'd hate for me to go to all that trouble & 
expense, & suggested that we try the following idea...

First, let me say that I followed up on OGD's suggestion that I check 
on whether it was the whole kit or just the pedals that was bothering 
her, & she verified that it was really just the kick drum.

So, she gave me an old closed-cell foam sleeping pad (the kind used 
for camping -- but this one was particularly dense & 15 mm thick), 
and I just cut a piece that were slightly larger than my kick pedal & 
placed it underneath.  To keep my feet level, I did the same thing 
for the HH pedal.  Then I started playing at normal volume and... 
voila!  She said it made a HUGE difference (no more dish rattling), 
and that she could definitely live with that amount of noise.

I was a little worried that the foam would make the pedals 
feel "squishy" -- and it did take a little getting used to at first --
 but it really wasn't too big of a difference in feel, so that was 
good -- and my problem was solved!!!

Later in the evening, I took it one step further by cutting 4 small 
squares (about 4" x 4") and putting one under each foot of the DTX 
rack -- this had the double bonus of bringing the whole kit an equal 
distance off the ground and further reducing vibrations for my 
neighbor below -- and did not seem to make the DTX feel shaky or 
unstable at all.

The best part of all of this (beside being cheap & easy) is that it 
takes up NO addidtional space, like a riser platform or Iso-Floor 
squares would have.

SO, I heartily encourage folks to try this first before investing in 
other methods.  if anyone wants mor info about the particular brand 
foam pad I used, I'll be happy to share it -- but I think any dense 
closed-cell foam sleeping pad should work.  Hell, I've actually got a 
bunch left over, so if you're interested in getting some, maybe we 
can work something out as well..

Anyway -- good luck & happy (vibration-reduced) drumming!

Scott



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gollywillickers" 
<gollywillickers@y...> wrote:
> hi Scott.
> 
> i am in the NY area and i'm in a similar situation. 
> 
> i will be building a shock absorbing floor riser for myself and one 
for a friend 
> who owns a DTXpress - for whom i've been doing some recording. 
> 
> i've been working on several different designs. the design i'm 
leaning toward 
> for the current riser is based on essentially the same principals 
as the Tennis 
> ball platform but is implemented a bit differently.
> 
> if you'd be interested in having me build one for you while i'm 
doing these 
> others - maybe we could work something out. 
> 
> i've designed and built many things over the years, professionally. 
this will be 
> done right. and i do have the design directive in mind of 
affordability and 
> portability that my own city apartment demands.
> 
> anyway, i just thought i'd mention it.
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "sjr41" <sjr41@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> > 
> > Thanks for the tip on the Clearsonic IsoFloor 
> > (http://www.clearsonic.com/) -- I checked out the website, and it 
> > looks like a really good (tho not exactly cheap) alternative to 
> > building the tennis ball platform discussed below, which I am 
really 
> > not so inclined to build...
> > 
> > I live in a small apartment in NYC, and have had problems with 
the 
> > vibrations from my kick pedal rattling the dishes & the picture 
> > frames on the walls of the apartment below me & bothering the 
> > neighbors down there.
> > 
> > So, my question is -- has anybody out there actually tried the 
> > IsoFloor, & if so, how effective is it in cutting vibrations?  
Any 
> > input on this product, pro or con, would be very much appreciated.
> > 
> > Also, given my space & monetary limitations, I am wondering 
whether 
> > it might be effective to just get two of the 1' x 1' IsoFloor 
squares 
> > (one for the kick pedal & one for the HH, so both feet are 
level), 
> > instead of buying enough to make a full platform for the entire 
kit & 
> > throne...  Any thoughts on this approach?
> > 
> > Finally, besides the tennis-ball thing, has anyone else come up 
with 
> > good (& cheap) ways to minimize the vibrations of the kick pedal?
> > 
> > My neighbor is being very understanding, overall, but I'd love to 
> > take care of this ASAP, so anything the group can do to advise me 
on 
> > this would be great.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
> > > > I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation 
> > platforms 
> > > > ( http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/ ) but space is an 
issue 
> > for 
> > > > me.  In order to move freely around the room where my kit is 
I 
> > move 
> > > > the throne away when not playing.  If I had a platform that 
was 
> > big 
> > > > enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over 
it 
> > > all 
> > > > the time! :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the 
stool 
> > > > isolated from the floor.  It's certainly got enough height 
> > > > adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth.  Any 
> > > > thoughts?
> > > > 
> > > > Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or 
> > off!)?
> > > 
> > > Chris,
> > > 
> > > Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and 
seems to 
> > > have had success.  Maybe you can contact him privately. Another 
> > > option is located at  http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially 
the 
> > > Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any 
help to 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > you IN THE UK.
> > > 
> > > Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor

2004-01-30 by Ken Weygandt

You can get this stuff here in the states in Home Depot Or Lowe's. It's pink or blue foam insulation board. It's very dense and it comes in a 2' x 8' x 1" or 2" thick slab. Not expensive either.
Ken
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From: sjr41
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor

Wow, thanks -- I apreciate the offer -- but I am glad to say not only
that it won't be necessary, but also that I have a different (&
cheaper & easier) idea for you (& others) to try before you start
building anything.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I am lucky in that my neighbor
has been surprisingly good about trying to "work together to find a
solution" to the noise situation. So, last night, when I went to
tell her that I was looking into the tennis ball deal and/or the Iso-
Floor thing, she said she'd hate for me to go to all that trouble &
expense, & suggested that we try the following idea...

First, let me say that I followed up on OGD's suggestion that I check
on whether it was the whole kit or just the pedals that was bothering
her, & she verified that it was really just the kick drum.

So, she gave me an old closed-cell foam sleeping pad (the kind used
for camping -- but this one was particularly dense & 15 mm thick),
and I just cut a piece that were slightly larger than my kick pedal &
placed it underneath. To keep my feet level, I did the same thing
for the HH pedal. Then I started playing at normal volume and...
voila! She said it made a HUGE difference (no more dish rattling),
and that she could definitely live with that amount of noise.

I was a little worried that the foam would make the pedals
feel "squishy" -- and it did take a little getting used to at first --
but it really wasn't too big of a difference in feel, so that was
good -- and my problem was solved!!!

Later in the evening, I took it one step further by cutting 4 small
squares (about 4" x 4") and putting one under each foot of the DTX
rack -- this had the double bonus of bringing the whole kit an equal
distance off the ground and further reducing vibrations for my
neighbor below -- and did not seem to make the DTX feel shaky or
unstable at all.

The best part of all of this (beside being cheap & easy) is that it
takes up NO addidtional space, like a riser platform or Iso-Floor
squares would have.

SO, I heartily encourage folks to try this first before investing in
other methods. if anyone wants mor info about the particular brand
foam pad I used, I'll be happy to share it -- but I think any dense
closed-cell foam sleeping pad should work. Hell, I've actually got a
bunch left over, so if you're interested in getting some, maybe we
can work something out as well..

Anyway -- good luck & happy (vibration-reduced) drumming!

Scott



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gollywillickers"
wrote:
> hi Scott.
>
> i am in the NY area and i'm in a similar situation.
>
> i will be building a shock absorbing floor riser for myself and one
for a friend
> who owns a DTXpress - for whom i've been doing some recording.
>
> i've been working on several different designs. the design i'm
leaning toward
>; for the current riser is based on essentially the same principals
as the Tennis
> ball platform but is implemented a bit differently.
>
> if you'd be interested in having me build one for you while i'm
doing these
> others - maybe we could work something out.
>
> i've designed and built many things over the years, professionally.
this will be
> done right. and i do have the design directive in mind of
affordability and
> portability that my own city apartment demands.
>
> anyway, i just thought i'd mention it.
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "sjr41" wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> >
> > Thanks for the tip on the Clearsonic IsoFloor
> > (http://www.clearsonic.com/) -- I checked out the website, and it
> > looks like a really good (tho not exactly cheap) alternative to
> > building the tennis ball platform discussed below, which I am
really
> > not so inclined to build...
> >
> > I live in a small apartment in NYC, and have had problems with
the
> > vibrations from my kick pedal rattling the dishes & the picture
> > frames on the walls of the apartment below me & bothering the
> > neighbors down there.
> >
> > So, my question is -- has anybody out there actually tried the
> > IsoFloor, & if so, how effective is it in cutting vibrations?
Any
> > input on this product, pro or con, would be very much appreciated.
> >
> > Also, given my space & monetary limitations, I am wondering
whether
> > it might be effective to just get two of the 1' x 1' IsoFloor
squares
> > (one for the kick pedal & one for the HH, so both feet are
level),
> > instead of buying enough to make a full platform for the entire
kit &
> > throne... Any thoughts on this approach?
> >
> > Finally, besides the tennis-ball thing, has anyone else come up
with
> > good (& cheap) ways to minimize the vibrations of the kick pedal?
> >
> > My neighbor is being very understanding, overall, but I'd love to
> > take care of this ASAP, so anything the group can do to advise me
on
> > this would be great.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf"
wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote:
>; > > > I'm considering building one of the tennis ball isolation
> > platforms
> > > > ( http://www.dtxpressions.com/platform/ ) but space is an
issue
> > for
> > > > me. In order to move freely around the room where my kit is
I
> > move
> > > > the throne away when not playing. If I had a platform that
was
> > big
> > > > enough to accommodate both kit and throne I'd be falling over
it
> > > all
> > > > the time! :-)
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, I wondered if it is really necessary to have the
stool
> > > > isolated from the floor. It's certainly got enough height
> > > > adjustment to be able to rise up a tennis ball's worth. Any
> > > > thoughts?
> > > >
> >; > > Also, has anyone actually built such a platform (stool on or
> > off!)?
> > >
> > > Chris,
>; > >
> > > Check out post 6505 for someone in the UK who built it and
seems to
> > > have had success. ; Maybe you can contact him privately. Another
> > > option is located at http://www.clearsonic.com/--especially
the
> > > Isofloor section--though I don't know if it would be of any
help to
> > > you IN THE UK.
> > >
> > > Ed



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Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor/Foam Insulation Board

2004-01-30 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Weygandt" <boomer17@a...> wrote:
> You can get this stuff here in the states in Home Depot Or Lowe's. 
It's pink or blue foam insulation board. It's very dense and it comes 
in a 2' x 8' x 1" or 2" thick slab. Not expensive either.

We ought to make a permanent note of this method. If it works, at 
least in some cases, and is cost-effective, people should be able to 
find out about closed-cell foam sleeping pads just as quickly as they 
do about the DIY platform and Iso-floor. Vern, how about a link to 
Iso-floor at DTXpressions and an outline of the foam method in Tips 
and Tricks?

Ed

Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor/Foam Insulation Board

2004-01-30 by sjr41

Not being much of a Home Depot guy, I have not heard of the foam 
board mentioned below, but if it's thick & dense it should probably 
work fine (as long as it can be cut to shape as needed).

Being a pretty avid backpacker, I have actually checked out a number 
of sleeping pad options over the years, which leads me to point out 
one thing to keep in mind if you are shopping for one to use as drum 
pads -- most of the pads for sale through outdoor retailers are 
designed to be lightweight (for backpacking), and thus are not as 
thick or dense as the one I got from my neighbor.  Like I said, this 
thing is thick (15mm), heavy, spongy & dense.  This means that it 
would be terrible would backpacking, but these same traits would seem 
to make it better for our purposes than most of the pads that are 
available from outdoor gear places.  (Not that other kinds wouldn't 
work well -- I just think this stuff might be even better).

So, to help out others in the group, I tried to find the stuff I got 
online, but sisnce it's made by a French company, I had some trouble 
finding anything in English -- but here's what I found.

The pad I used is madce by a company called Domyos, and it is model # 
TG 400.  Domyos is apparently owned by another company called 
Decathlon.  The website (www.decathlon.fr) is in French, but here a 
link to the Google-translated version: 

http://translate.google.com/translate?
hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.decathlon.fr/Magasin/tableau_comparatif.asp%
3Fint_DeptId%3D2274&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddomyos%2BTG%2B400%26hl%3Den%
26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG

I found the US version of the website (http://www.decathlon-
usa.com/), but it did not have anything about the TG 400 pad.  I sent 
an email requesting info on where it can be purchased, what it costs, 
etc, & now I am waiting for a response...

I'll keep y'all posted.

Scott



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Weygandt" <boomer17@a...> 
wrote:
> > You can get this stuff here in the states in Home Depot Or 
Lowe's. 
> It's pink or blue foam insulation board. It's very dense and it 
comes 
> in a 2' x 8' x 1" or 2" thick slab. Not expensive either.
> 
> We ought to make a permanent note of this method. If it works, at 
> least in some cases, and is cost-effective, people should be able 
to 
> find out about closed-cell foam sleeping pads just as quickly as 
they 
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> do about the DIY platform and Iso-floor. Vern, how about a link to 
> Iso-floor at DTXpressions and an outline of the foam method in Tips 
> and Tricks?
> 
> Ed

Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor/Foam Insulation Board

2004-01-30 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "sjr41" <sjr41@c...> wrote:
> So, to help out others in the group, I tried to find the stuff I 
got 
> online, but sisnce it's made by a French company, I had some 
trouble 
> finding anything in English -- but here's what I found.
> 
> The pad I used is madce by a company called Domyos, and it is model 
# 
> TG 400.  Domyos is apparently owned by another company called 
> Decathlon.  The website (www.decathlon.fr) is in French, but here a 
> link to the Google-translated version: 
> 
> http://translate.google.com/translate?
> 
hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.decathlon.fr/Magasin/tableau_comparatif.asp%
> 3Fint_DeptId%3D2274&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddomyos%2BTG%2B400%26hl%3Den%
> 26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
> 
> I found the US version of the website (http://www.decathlon-
> usa.com/), but it did not have anything about the TG 400 pad.  I 
sent 
> an email requesting info on where it can be purchased, what it 
costs, 
> etc, & now I am waiting for a response...

Scott,

That's great. Wouldn't Decathlon love to know that their product may 
have a side benefit for electronic drummers? If we find that it 
works, maybe they'd even modestly adapt it and market it as such. 
Then maybe for announcing its availability, DTXpress Group members 
would get a discount, stock options, franchises. . . . All right, I'm 
jumping the gun a little.

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Tennis ball platform / Clearsonic Iso-Floor/Foam Insulation Board

2004-01-30 by Vernon Graner

Do you have a summary of the links that I need to place? just email them
to me and I'll put them up. :)

Vern
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emf said:
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> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Weygandt" <boomer17@a...> wrote:
>> You can get this stuff here in the states in Home Depot Or Lowe's.
> It's pink or blue foam insulation board. It's very dense and it comes
> in a 2' x 8' x 1" or 2" thick slab. Not expensive either.
>
> We ought to make a permanent note of this method. If it works, at
> least in some cases, and is cost-effective, people should be able to
> find out about closed-cell foam sleeping pads just as quickly as they
> do about the DIY platform and Iso-floor. Vern, how about a link to
> Iso-floor at DTXpressions and an outline of the foam method in Tips
> and Tricks?
>
> Ed
>
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