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What's going on here?

What's going on here?

2004-01-21 by Stephanie Ellison

I got this e-mail directly from somebody at this e-mail address:  
info@kitchinsynk.com

-----------------------------

info@... here,

I am controlling the email that is sent to my inbox. By asking for you to 
confirm that you really sent email to me I can ensure that I receive no spam 
and that your email address really exists.

This is a one time confirmation, please click the link below and your email 
will be delivered straight away, now and in the future.

Click to confirm: http://vetomail.com/ok/d265d22a-a7eb-490a-a6e7-0f57844734f7

You are receiving this message in response to your email to 
info@..., a VetoMail customer.

VetoMail asks that senders verify their address before email is delivered. 
When you have clicked the link above a webpage will be displayed, if the page 
displays correctly your address has been verified. You will only need to do 
this once per VetoMail protected email address.

Thankyou.
----------------------------------

Sys admins here, please find out what this is about.  I don't trust it one 
bit.  It looks like a side feeder from a e-mail miner.  If that's what it is, 
would you please find out where this computer is, find a way in, and destroy 
it?

Uhh,  kitchinsynk...  Never do this again!  Why in heaven's "play party" would 
I want to ever give you my e-mail address if I don't know you?  If you're 
getting that much spam, then you need to talk to your ISP about it.  I have a 
Linux background (almost 4 years of using it as my primary OS at home).

Stephanie

Re: What's going on here?

2004-01-21 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison <deafdrummer@a...> 
wrote:
> I got this e-mail directly from somebody at this e-mail address:  
> info@k...
> 
> -----------------------------
> 
> info@k... here,
> 
> I am controlling the email that is sent to my inbox. By asking for 
you to 
> confirm that you really sent email to me I can ensure that I 
receive no spam 
> and that your email address really exists.
> 
> This is a one time confirmation, please click the link below and 
your email 
> will be delivered straight away, now and in the future.
> 
> Click to confirm: http://vetomail.com/ok/d265d22a-a7eb-490a-a6e7-
0f57844734f7
> 
> You are receiving this message in response to your email to 
> info@k..., a VetoMail customer.
> 
> VetoMail asks that senders verify their address before email is 
delivered. 
> When you have clicked the link above a webpage will be displayed, 
if the page 
> displays correctly your address has been verified. You will only 
need to do 
> this once per VetoMail protected email address.
> 
> Thankyou.
> ----------------------------------
> 
> Sys admins here, please find out what this is about.  I don't trust 
it one 
> bit.  It looks like a side feeder from a e-mail miner.  If that's 
what it is, 
> would you please find out where this computer is, find a way in, 
and destroy 
> it?
> 
> Uhh,  kitchinsynk...  Never do this again!  Why in heaven's "play 
party" would 
> I want to ever give you my e-mail address if I don't know you?  If 
you're 
> getting that much spam, then you need to talk to your ISP about 
it.  I have a 
> Linux background (almost 4 years of using it as my primary OS at 
home).

Steph,

I've received the exact message in my yahoo box as owner of this 
group. I simply ignored it (I get a huge amount of junk mail and spam 
everyday; since it can't be posted on the board, it comes to me). 
Just in case you were wondering, no one by that address is a member 
of this group.

Ed

Re: What's going on here?

2004-01-21 by oldguydrummer

Stephanie,

Do you remember when this group was un-moderator, the whole group use 
to get junk/spam/porn?  Well, Ed, Vern and I still get all of those 
in our email box as moderators, even from non-members who just send 
emails to owner@dtxpress will get through to us but not to this 
group. Ed, is right, we get so much, we just ignore it and delete it. 
I didn't realize it was also going to members as well. Unforcunately, 
it is a loop hole in the system. If a spammer was already a member 
prior to the group being moderator, the person would have to post 
something for us to catch. If new member just joins and doesn't post, 
but sets up thier account to receive "individual" emails, then 
everytime anybody makes a post, it is sent to this individual. They 
would not have access to your actual email address, but you would 
still receive the message "authentication" notice, asking for your 
email address. 

If anybody receives a similar messege do not respond to it. This may 
actually turn out be something as simple as one of the members, 
joining up for this email protection service. I went to the website 
manually and not through the automated responds from the email and it 
appears to be a legit service/site. So if "Bob" is a member here 
and "Bob" has his defaults to send "individual emails" whenever 
something is posted and you make a post like you did today, 
then "Bob's" email protection service would send out this automated 
response to you. Or it could be and email collecting program. I know 
I got this messege about three times,deleted them all and then it 
stopped. My guess is that since I didn't respond, it considers me to 
be a spammer with a fake email address and added me to it's block 
sender list. 

The rule of thumb is if you don't recognize something, just deleted. 
If it was something important, from someone you know, then when you 
don't respond, they can just get on the phone and call you.

(Matter of fact, I ignore all posts from my dad, just because he 
doesn't actively try a protect his system from virus/spam.)

OGD




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison <deafdrummer@a...> 
wrote:
> I got this e-mail directly from somebody at this e-mail address:  
> info@k...
> 
> -----------------------------
> 
> info@k... here,
> 
> I am controlling the email that is sent to my inbox. By asking for 
you to 
> confirm that you really sent email to me I can ensure that I 
receive no spam 
> and that your email address really exists.
> 
> This is a one time confirmation, please click the link below and 
your email 
> will be delivered straight away, now and in the future.
> 
> Click to confirm: http://vetomail.com/ok/d265d22a-a7eb-490a-a6e7-
0f57844734f7
> 
> You are receiving this message in response to your email to 
> info@k..., a VetoMail customer.
> 
> VetoMail asks that senders verify their address before email is 
delivered. 
> When you have clicked the link above a webpage will be displayed, 
if the page 
> displays correctly your address has been verified. You will only 
need to do 
> this once per VetoMail protected email address.
> 
> Thankyou.
> ----------------------------------
> 
> Sys admins here, please find out what this is about.  I don't trust 
it one 
> bit.  It looks like a side feeder from a e-mail miner.  If that's 
what it is, 
> would you please find out where this computer is, find a way in, 
and destroy 
> it?
> 
> Uhh,  kitchinsynk...  Never do this again!  Why in heaven's "play 
party" would 
> I want to ever give you my e-mail address if I don't know you?  If 
you're 
> getting that much spam, then you need to talk to your ISP about 
it.  I have a 
> Linux background (almost 4 years of using it as my primary OS at 
home).
> 
> Stephanie

Re: [DTXpress] Re: What's going on here?

2004-01-21 by Stephanie Ellison

> Steph,
>
> I've received the exact message in my yahoo box as owner of this
> group. I simply ignored it (I get a huge amount of junk mail and spam
> everyday; since it can't be posted on the board, it comes to me).
> Just in case you were wondering, no one by that address is a member
> of this group.

Just as I thought, which is why I wouldn't post directly to that e-mail 
address.

Stephanie

Re: [DTXpress] Re: What's going on here?

2004-01-21 by Stuart McConaghy

Guys,
Vetomail is actually a commercial spam protection service which operates under the premise that if you really want to send someone an e-mail, you\u2019ll be happy to verify that a) it was really you who sent it, and b) you\u2019re not spamming. After you’ve confirmed you\u2019re on the Vetomail customer\u2019s verified list, and you\u2019ll never see this kind of e-mail again. Slashdot ran a story about these guys a few weeks ago.

Stuart McConaghy
Canopus Drums \u2013 Meinl Cymbals \u2013 SilverFox Sticks


On 1/20/04 9:19 PM, "oldguydrummer" wrote:

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Stephanie,

Do you remember when this group was un-moderator, the whole group use
to get junk/spam/porn? Well, Ed, Vern and I still get all of those
in our email box as moderators, even from non-members who just send
emails to owner@dtxpress will get through to us but not to this
group. Ed, is right, we get so much, we just ignore it and delete it.
I didn't realize it was also going to members as well. Unforcunately,
it is a loop hole in the system. If a spammer was already a member
prior to the group being moderator, the person would have to post
something for us to catch. If new member just joins and doesn't post,
but sets up thier account to receive "individual" emails, then
everytime anybody makes a post, it is sent to this individual. They
would not have access to your actual email address, but you would
still receive the message "authentication" notice, asking for your
email address.

If anybody receives a similar messege do not respond to it. This may
actually turn out be something as simple as one of the members,
joining up for this email protection service. I went to the website
manually and not through the automated responds from the email and it
appears to be a legit service/site. So if "Bob" is a member here
and "Bob" has his defaults to send "individual emails" whenever
something is posted and you make a post like you did today,
then "Bob's" email protection service would send out this automated
response to you. Or it could be and email collecting program. I know
I got this messege about three times,deleted them all and then it
stopped. My guess is that since I didn't respond, it considers me to
be a spammer with a fake email address and added me to it's block
sender list.

The rule of thumb is if you don't recognize something, just deleted.
If it was something important, from someone you know, then when you
don't respond, they can just get on the phone and call you.

(Matter of fact, I ignore all posts from my dad, just because he
doesn't actively try a protect his system from virus/spam.)

OGD




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison
wrote:
> I got this e-mail directly from somebody at this e-mail address:
>; info@k...
>
> -----------------------------
>
> info@k... here,
>
> I am controlling the email that is sent to my inbox. By asking for
you to
> confirm that you really sent email to me I can ensure that I
receive no spam
> and that your email address really exists.
>
> This is a one time confirmation, please click the link below and
your email
> will be delivered straight away, now and in the future.
>
> Click to confirm: http://vetomail.com/ok/d265d22a-a7eb-490a-a6e7-
0f57844734f7
>
> You are receiving this message in response to your email to
> info@k..., a VetoMail customer.
>
> VetoMail asks that senders verify their address before email is
delivered.
> When you have clicked the link above a webpage will be displayed,
if the page
> displays correctly your address has been verified. You will only
need to do
> this once per VetoMail protected email address.
>
> Thankyou.
> ----------------------------------
>
> Sys admins here, please find out what this is about. I don't trust
it one
> bit. It looks like a side feeder from a e-mail miner. If that's
what it is,
> would you please find out where this computer is, find a way in,
and destroy
> it?
>
> Uhh, kitchinsynk... Never do this again! Why in heaven's "play
party"; would
> I want to ever give you my e-mail address if I don't know you? If
you're
> getting that much spam, then you need to talk to your ISP about
it. I have a
> Linux background (almost 4 years of using it as my primary OS at
home).
>
> Stephanie



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OT: C/R Spam filters (was Re: [DTXpress] Re: What's going on here?)

2004-01-21 by Vernon Graner

The message you received, is an example of a Challenge/Response spam
protection system. A definition and descriptive article can be found
here:

http://tinyurl.com/3h4ez [email.about.com link]

Here's an excerpt from the article:

------------------ CLIP -----------------
How Challenge/Response Spam Filters Work

Spam comes from spammers. Combine this simple truth, a tautology almost,
with its counterpart ("good mail comes from known senders") and you have
the idea behind challenge/response spam filtering software and services.
The Theory

Good mail comes from the senders you know -- your friends, your family,
the publisher of an email newsletter you have subscribed to. For all
other mail, it's safe to assume that it is spam.

Accordingly, challenge/response filters do not try to filter out the spam
but look for mail from trusted senders (senders on your so-called "white
list") and let it through. Everything else is thought to be spam and
quarantined. This makes for a fantastic spam detection rate.

But what about the occasional message from somebody not yet on your white
list who is not a spammer? What about the mail from an old friend, from a
newsletter you have just signed up for, what about if somebody changes
their email address?

Challenge/response filters take care of these situations automatically,
too. Every new sender is mailed a challenge. If they respond to the
challenge, the sender is automatically put on your white list, the
original message is recovered and you can communicate with the now
trusted sender unhampered.

Usually, the challenge consists in solving a captcha. Captchas are tasks
that are trivial for humans but highly complex and expensive to solve for
computers.

Since spammers deliver their emails to millions of email addresses, they
can't solve all the captchas "by hand", but they can't have computers
answer them either. Senders of legit mail can respond to the challenge
easily, however. Thus, their mail gets through while the spam is trashed.
------------------ CLIP -----------------

In short, whenever someone signs up for one of these services, and then
joins a mailing list (like ours here) they can "flood" the board with
challenge response emails like the one you saw (this depends on how the
board is configured i.e. reply goes to board or reply goes to sender and
how fast the moderators are at banning people! :) )

Not so much evil as annoying/rude/n00b for a person to activate and not
closely monitor the result. The other ethical problem I have with it is
that it offloads the responsibility of determining what is and is not
spam to the *sender*. Seems backwards. Why force *me* to determine what
is and is not spam for *you*? Anyway, I'm on quite a few other boards
where people have activated this type of filter and been heavily
chastised for the resulting mess on the mailinglist.

I reccomend you stick to bayesian filters for spam detection, they work
very well. :)

Vern

PS: For info on bayesian filters go here:
http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG




Stephanie Ellison said:
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>> Steph,
>>
>> I've received the exact message in my yahoo box as owner of this
>> group. I simply ignored it (I get a huge amount of junk mail and spam
>> everyday; since it can't be posted on the board, it comes to me).
>> Just in case you were wondering, no one by that address is a member
>> of this group.
>
> Just as I thought, which is why I wouldn't post directly to that e-mail
> address.
>
> Stephanie

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