Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi everybody,

Would it be a good option to buy Roland TD-20/TD-10 for my DTXPress II Kit 
and DDrum Red Shot triggers? Would I face conflicts/problems with this 
compination?

Thanks.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...>
wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> Would it be a good option to buy Roland TD-20/TD-10 for my DTXPress
II Kit
> and DDrum Red Shot triggers? Would I face conflicts/problems with
this
> compination?

Using the DTXpress pads through the Roland TD-20 is a little--no, a
lot--like trying to put an elephant in a birdcage. To be brief, the
TD-20 has many features that pertain to the cymbals and mesh pads 
that Roland designed for it, or at least cymbals and pads that take 
these features into account like Pintech's new TE-2. The hi hat flat-
out won't work. I believe that the ddrum triggers will work through 
the module, but so what? The TD-10 presents many of the same 
obstacles, only in a slightly less expensive form.

If you can afford the TD-20, I'd serously consider scrapping
everything that you have now and starting again. If the entire Roland
kit cost too much for you, or is too hard to get, maybe we can come 
up with alternatives. My point is that if you have money to invest in 
new e-drum components, randomly mixing different components by 
different manufacturers, at different price points, and with 
incongruous features will result in unsatisfactory performance.

Also, what did you use to muffle your mesh heads to get better
triggering with the ddrum redshots through the DTXpress? And what
kind of mesh heads were they?

Ed

>Also, what did you use to muffle your mesh heads to get better
>triggering with the ddrum redshots through the DTXpress? And what
>kind of mesh heads were they?
>
>Ed
>
>

I replied this question, but I don't know why it hasn't been posted yet.

Anyway, I used one which is similar to the one in this picture:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040424060153195229241166001761/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/448703/

I changed nothing in the settings.

I decided to buy a DTXPress III module, DTXtreme IIS is not available in 
here.

Thanks.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Michael Lieberman
<mikelieberman@y...> wrote:
> I have owned a DTX express for the last 5 years and was happy with
it up until the Sydney Edrum expo and had a go of the Roland TD20.
>
> The TD20 was so superior to the the DTXpress in the way it played
and sounded I now have one in my lounge room.
>
> The DTXpress will now be my daughters drum kit as she is learning.
>
> I will try and use some of the dual trigger pads of the DTXpress
for triggering interesting sounds but that is about it.
>
> The TD20 is so much like a real kit with far more options I was gob
smacked that I had played the DTxpress for as long as I did.
>
> But then again they are chalk and cheese in price as well.

Michael,

This is mainly a case of apples and oranges, or chalk and cheese, not
just incidentally. I daresay, just about everyone who bought the
humble DTXpress for $1000 knew that they weren't getting something
comparable to a $5000 kit. It's not like people bought the DTXpress
in a vaccuum and then all of a sudden stumbled into something much
more elaborate that by some quirk of fate happens to cost $5000 more.
Price points matter, and most e-drummers are aware of the
differences. The question at the level of the Roland TD-20 is not
whether it outperforms the DTXpress, or anything else at the DTXP's
modest level, but whether the TD-20 at its price represents
everything that all e-drummers would want. Notwithstanding your
experience at the Sydney Expo, I'm willing to bet that there are
other kit alternatives to the TD-20 that would also flip your skirt
if you were aware of them. Many DTXpress owners know that the
exorbitant money spent for a Roland product is not always money well
spent, regardless of whether they can afford the alternatives or not.
The DTXpress has its valuable and valid place; so does the TD-20, and
a lot of other equipment loosely within its tax bracket. But vive les
differences.

Ed

> This is mainly a case of apples and oranges, or chalk and cheese, 
not
> just incidentally. I daresay, just about everyone who bought the
> humble DTXpress for $1000 knew that they weren't getting something
> comparable to a $5000 kit. It's not like people bought the DTXpress
> in a vaccuum and then all of a sudden stumbled into something much
> more elaborate that by some quirk of fate happens to cost $5000 
more.
> Price points matter, and most e-drummers are aware of the
> differences. The question at the level of the Roland TD-20 is not
> whether it outperforms the DTXpress, or anything else at the DTXP's
> modest level, but whether the TD-20 at its price represents
> everything that all e-drummers would want. Notwithstanding your
> experience at the Sydney Expo, I'm willing to bet that there are
> other kit alternatives to the TD-20 that would also flip your skirt
> if you were aware of them. Many DTXpress owners know that the
> exorbitant money spent for a Roland product is not always money 
well
> spent, regardless of whether they can afford the alternatives or 
not.
> The DTXpress has its valuable and valid place; so does the TD-20, 
and
> a lot of other equipment loosely within its tax bracket. But vive 
les
> differences.
> 
> Ed


Well put, Ed!

Nicely done. I just bought my DTXpress III ST, and from my experience 
and research of other drum kits, I love the choice of getting the 
Yamaha over the roland. The same roland kit is nearly $1200 w/o the 
brain I believe...correct me if I'm wrong. I have had a go on all the 
kits roland makes, and yeah, they have their ups and their downs. So 
does the DTXpress I got. But nothing is ever perfect, its just what 
suits the user. For me, I am 16 with no money for a $5000 kit, so I 
went with DTXpress. For sure I'd rather have the mesh head drum sets, 
but for the bang of the buck, the Yamaha is perfect for me. Its all a 
difference of opinions.

-Zack-