I made several comments. I don't have a clue which one you feel is so speculative. If you are talking about the Sigma-Foveon camera working with other brands of glass, do like I said and look at their website. It's all their in plain english. At least for the time being, they will ONLY take their own brand of lens. If you are talking about my other comments, then yes, I wholly agree they are pure conjecture. My WHOLE point was that there is probably some reason why ONLY Sigma jumped on the Foveon bandwagon. I still highly doubt Sigma was Foveon's first and only choice in which company would BEST suit their marketing needs. I mean after all, in the overall lens market they are Class B players, in the camera market I don't know that I'd even consider them a Class C organization. However, that is just my opinion and $.02 worth... by this time next year we all know for sure but I'm willing to bet you won't see a Nikon or Canon lens on a Sigma body let alone a Canon lens on a Nikon body without some weird 3rd party adapter. BTW: I agree with your comments about closed systems. It certainly turned out to be a very expensive decision for Apple Computer that cost them market share they will NEVER regain.. Greg > That of course is an entirely speculative comment of yours and you > will have to wait and see will you not? > > It takes no imagination at all to realise that non of the big camera > boys i.e. those who make and sell complete camera systems, wish to see > an open system because in that way they will in effect lose the one > certainty that exists in their rather narrow and highly predjudiced > view of the photographiuc world, which in simple language spells brand > market domination - or the wish to achieve such a condition. > > In truth the current situation re the camera manufacturers rather > reminds me of the same situation that existed in the electronic > pre-press industry somtime between the years 1968-1990+ where more or > less three manufacturers dominated the supply market for electronic > scanning and image manipulation. > > By sticking to propriortorial systems and using their own file formats > they ensured that once a client had 'hooked in' to their product, > client loyalty was almost guaranteed. > > History has demonstrated that, that approach cannot exist for ever > because eventually other organisations - usually small, flexiable, and > cheap get into what in effect became a closed market sector dominated > by just a few brands and blew the whole industry structure apart. > > That mon petites is what I am hoping to see happen to the camera > producers market before I shuffle off this mortal coil. The idea that > one might obtain a particular Nikon or Canon or any other body > (digital natch) and be able to use any manufacturers lens with same > should be the required norm rather than a dream. > > I say watch this space - well some space or other - and await events. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pics4U@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: New 6+mp Nikon D100 > > > > Maybe, just maybe, there is a good reason none of the big name > > companies chose Foveon. None of us have actually seen a Foveon > > based camera or any images taken with it beyond what's on their > > website. > > > > So far it's all been media and marketing hype. Any chance this > > current model isn't really all they want us to believe it is? Any > > chance they weren't able to deliver the quanitities the big boys > > would require? Any chance the wholesale price they demanded was too > > far out of line to make it a workable venture? Any chance Nikon is > > already working with similar technology? > > > > I have enough confidence in both Canon and Nikon to know there > > must be SOME reason why. I highly doubt that Sigma was the first > > company on their list when Foveon set out to sell their technology. > > My guess is that both Canon and Nikon and probably Kodak and Olympus > > too, all turned them down before Sigma ever got a chance to even see > > it. > > > > These people are obviously not stupid. Don't you think they would > > have been VERY eager for either Canon or Nikon to jump on their new > > bandwagon instead of Sigma? > > > > I also wouldn't be suprised to hear that either Canon or Nikon or > > Kodak were already working on their own versions of a Foveon. I have > > personally talked to the engineers of another company that has been > > working heavily on Cmos imaging technology for a number of years. > > > > BTW: For those that think other brand glass will fit on the Sigma > > body? Take a look at their website. It's pretty clear that ONLY > > their lenses will work. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > I think Foveon blew it by > > > > letting Sigma be the first with their technology. Who is going > > > > out and buying into the Sigma system? Sure, the lenses are > > > > fine, but you need to use the truly crappy Sigma body. > > > > > > Maybe Nikon is the one that blew it. Who is going to go out and > > > spend thousands of dollars when we all know some good camera > > > company is going to come out with the foveon soon? I wish it was > > > Nikon, since all my 35 is already nikon. But as has been pointed > > > out, a totally new system, designed completely for digital, and at > > > this point ,foveon digital , has to be developed. New lenses, > > > bodies , everything. And you are right , it yhas to be from a top > > > camera company. I didn't know the sigma was so krappy, thanks for > > > that info. Guess I'll have to wait and see what develops.What I > > > have now will last until a professional foveon comes out. George J > > > Kunze > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE > > > Money 2002. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/ucIolB/TM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---~ -> > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. 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Re: [Digital BW] Re: New 6+mp Nikon D100
2002-02-25 by Pics4U@en.com