What may have worked is the addition of water and then some warming/heat and shaking in the bottle. Rationale: There may have been a loss of water or solubility due to physical reasons. Adding water to the concentrate would allow the Triton & glycol to mix. Keeping track of the water added and adding this to the final equation would keep everything balanced. They key here is not to take a shaken portion of the concentrate and adding water to that, but adding water to the whole concentrate. Any portion taken from the concentrate would no be equal in ratio to the original. What may unknowingly happen, is that the product congealed (e.g cloudiness) an separated into layers. The user takes some product to dilute, and unknowingly siphons off part of the top layer which appear very clear. Now the product is TOO concentrated, and will never do back into a clear solution. Hence the need to add water back to get the water / Triton level back to the proper proportion. FWIW, it's a nuisance with brown bottles, as you never really see what is going on. We did some tests, and the basic fact, is that for most product, unless stored in full sunlight or a window, placing it in dark brown or blue bottles serves no purpose except to give you a false sense of security and hide cosmetic or stability problems. -= Chris =- ----- "Tony Sleep" <TonySleep@halftone.co.uk> wrote: > On 10/12/2010 -= Chris =- wrote: > > Dunno, but this is normal behavior of the product. All you needed to > > > do, is gently warm the product and stir until clear. > > I tried that. It didn't just turn cloudy, it formed large sheets of a > > slimy, soft, whitish gossamer material that did not redissolve. > Stirring > or shaking just broke it up, warm or cold. > > The container had a clear warning on it about never exposing to low > temps > (below 40F IIRC but it was a long time ago), which I only read after > the > event. > -- > Regards > > Tony Sleep > http://tonysleep.co.uk > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� > AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Photo-Flo in Europe
2010-12-11 by -= Chris =-
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