Digital BW, The Print

Foveon makes high end scanning backs for hasselblads and sinar cameras too.
Hope Canon gets hot with it soon.

jerry

Pics4U@... wrote:
> 
> I made several comments. I don't have a clue which one you feel is
> so speculative.  If you are talking about the Sigma-Foveon camera
> working with other brands of glass, do like I said and look at their
> website. It's all their in plain english. At least for the time being, they
> will ONLY take their own brand of lens.
> 
> If you are talking about my other comments, then yes, I wholly
> agree they are pure conjecture. My WHOLE point was that there is
> probably some reason why ONLY Sigma jumped on the Foveon
> bandwagon.  I still highly doubt Sigma was Foveon's first and only
> choice in which company would BEST suit their marketing needs. I
> mean after all, in the overall lens market they are Class B players, in
> the camera market I don't know that I'd even consider them a Class
> C organization.
> 
> However, that is just my opinion and $.02 worth... by this time next
> year we all know for sure but I'm willing to bet you won't see a Nikon
> or Canon lens on a Sigma body let alone a Canon lens on a Nikon
> body without some weird 3rd party adapter.
> 
> BTW: I agree with your comments about closed systems. It certainly
> turned out to be a very expensive decision for Apple Computer that
> cost them market share they will NEVER regain..
> 
> Greg
> 
> > That of course is an entirely speculative comment of yours and you
> > will have to wait and see will you not?
> >
> > It takes no imagination at all to realise that non of the big camera
> > boys i.e. those who make and sell complete camera systems, wish to see
> > an open system because in that way they will in effect lose the one
> > certainty that exists in their rather narrow and highly predjudiced
> > view of the photographiuc world, which in simple language spells brand
> > market domination - or the wish to achieve such a condition.
> >
> > In truth the current situation re the camera manufacturers rather
> > reminds me of the same situation that existed in the electronic
> > pre-press industry somtime between the years 1968-1990+ where more or
> > less three manufacturers dominated the supply market for electronic
> > scanning and image manipulation.
> >
> > By sticking to propriortorial systems and using their own file formats
> > they ensured that once a client had 'hooked in' to their product,
> > client loyalty was almost guaranteed.
> >
> > History has demonstrated that, that approach cannot exist for ever
> > because eventually other organisations - usually small, flexiable, and
> > cheap get into what in effect became a closed market sector dominated
> > by just a few brands and blew the whole industry structure apart.
> >
> > That mon petites is what I am hoping to see happen to the camera
> > producers market before I shuffle off this mortal coil. The idea that
> > one might obtain a particular Nikon or Canon or any other body
> > (digital natch) and be able to use any manufacturers lens with same
> > should be the required norm rather than a dream.
> >
> > I say watch this space - well some space or other - and await events.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Pics4U@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: New 6+mp Nikon D100
> >
> >
> > > Maybe, just maybe, there is a good reason none of the big name
> > > companies chose Foveon.  None of us have actually seen a Foveon
> > > based camera or any images taken with it beyond what's on their
> > > website.
> > >
> > > So far it's all been media and marketing hype.  Any chance this
> > > current model isn't really all they want us to believe it is? Any
> > > chance they weren't able to deliver the quanitities the big boys
> > > would require?  Any chance the wholesale price they demanded was too
> > > far out of line to make it a workable venture?  Any chance Nikon is
> > > already working with similar technology?
> > >
> > > I have enough confidence in both Canon and Nikon to know there
> > > must be SOME reason why.  I highly doubt that Sigma was the first
> > > company on their list when Foveon set out to sell their technology.
> > > My guess is that both Canon and Nikon and probably Kodak and Olympus
> > > too, all turned them down before Sigma ever got a chance to even see
> > > it.
> > >
> > > These people are obviously not stupid. Don't you think they would
> > > have been VERY eager for either Canon or Nikon to jump on their new
> > > bandwagon instead of Sigma?
> > >
> > > I also wouldn't be suprised to hear that either Canon or Nikon or
> > > Kodak were already working on their own versions of a Foveon. I have
> > > personally talked to the engineers of another company that has been
> > > working heavily on Cmos imaging technology for a number of years.
> > >
> > > BTW:  For those that think other brand glass will fit on the Sigma
> > > body? Take a look at their website. It's pretty clear that ONLY
> > > their lenses will work.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >  I think Foveon blew it by
> > > > > letting Sigma be the first with their technology.  Who is going
> > > > > out and buying into the Sigma system?  Sure, the lenses are
> > > > > fine, but you need to use the truly crappy Sigma body.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe Nikon is the one that blew it. Who is going to go out and
> > > > spend thousands of dollars when we all know some good camera
> > > > company is going to come out with the foveon soon? I wish it was
> > > > Nikon, since all my 35 is already nikon. But as has been pointed
> > > > out, a totally new system, designed completely for digital, and at
> > > > this point ,foveon digital , has to be developed. New lenses,
> > > > bodies , everything. And you are right , it yhas to be from a top
> > > > camera company. I didn't know the sigma was so krappy, thanks for
> > > > that info. Guess I'll have to wait and see what develops.What I
> > > > have now will last until a professional foveon comes out. George J
> > > > Kunze
> > > >
> > > >
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