Digital BW, The Print

Shilesh,

Epson black inks are slightly green and so if u want to use them by themselves you will have to aim for a hint of green on them color wheel. U won't like the result :) Mike

On 23 Feb 2011, at 15:22, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote:

> John, CD,
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> FWIW, I am very experienced and adept with QTR. I create my own curves, linearize, split-tone, and all that. That is not the question. Is there any setting in ABW that uses only K, LK, and LLK? I do want that warm, sepia look I get with Image Specialist MK, LK, and LLK inks.
> 
> Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped.
> 
> Shilesh
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> >
> > You need to linearize the QTR curve and it will beat ABW by a long shot and keep out as much of the problem colors as possible with the least metamerism. For Epson to lock out QTR on their most recent printers is just insane on their part. It was the best thing that ever happened to Epson monochrome.
> > 
> > The HPZ inks are designed for a slight selenium tone with matte rag papers and neutral with most gloss papers. To create an exact netural to match the Piezography Neutral K7, I add a hue/sat adjustment layer and tone to Hue-40 / Saturation 3 (for Photorag)Saturation 2 is perfect for many gloss fiber papers. Their gray and color inks are designed to fade at the same rate so very long term shift is less of an issue compared to K3 and Lucia inks. 
> > 
> > john
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. 
> > > 
> > > C. D. Tobie
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> > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used?
> > > > 
> > > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly.
> > > > 
> > > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW.
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you.
> > > > 
> > > > Shilesh
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