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2011-02-23 by shileshjani
Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly. I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. Thank you. Shilesh
2011-02-23 by Cdtobie
Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. C. D. Tobie Global Product Technology Mngr. Imaging Color Management Datacolor.com CDTobie@...
On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote: > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly. > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. > > Thank you. > > Shilesh > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2011-02-23 by john
You need to linearize the QTR curve and it will beat ABW by a long shot and keep out as much of the problem colors as possible with the least metamerism. For Epson to lock out QTR on their most recent printers is just insane on their part. It was the best thing that ever happened to Epson monochrome. The HPZ inks are designed for a slight selenium tone with matte rag papers and neutral with most gloss papers. To create an exact netural to match the Piezography Neutral K7, I add a hue/sat adjustment layer and tone to Hue-40 / Saturation 3 (for Photorag)Saturation 2 is perfect for many gloss fiber papers. Their gray and color inks are designed to fade at the same rate so very long term shift is less of an issue compared to K3 and Lucia inks. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
> > Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. > > C. D. Tobie > Global Product Technology Mngr. > Imaging Color Management > Datacolor.com > CDTobie@... > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote: > > > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? > > > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly. > > > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Shilesh > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See âGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelinesâ in the Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2011-02-23 by Mike Finley
The problem with QTR, at least in its Windows incarnation and the smaller printers, is that it is much less tolerant of blocked and misfiring nozzles than the Epson driver is, and that is possibly the cause of the banding. If you watch the print being laid down on the paper on for example the R2400 you'll see the ink is being laid down in a much narrower band as the paper passes through using QTR than it is with the Epson driver. (The lid is locked down on the 3880 while printing so I can't see how it works there, but suspect the same) On 23/02/2011 13:51, john wrote: > > You need to linearize the QTR curve and it will beat ABW by a long > shot and keep out as much of the problem colors as possible with the > least metamerism. For Epson to lock out QTR on their most recent > printers is just insane on their part. It was the best thing that ever > happened to Epson monochrome. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, Cdtobie > <CDTobie@...> wrote: > > > > Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral > print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to > pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral > with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts > of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. > > > > C. D. Tobie > > Global Product Technology Mngr. > > Imaging Color Management > > Datacolor.com > > CDTobie@... > > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel > so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? > > > > > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will > also be used, but preferably only slightly. > > > > > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with > custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Shilesh > > > > > > > -- mike finley photography fine art photography and website construction http://mypicks.efikim.co.uk http://www.mikefinley.co.uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-02-23 by shileshjani
John, CD, FWIW, I am very experienced and adept with QTR. I create my own curves, linearize, split-tone, and all that. That is not the question. Is there any setting in ABW that uses only K, LK, and LLK? I do want that warm, sepia look I get with Image Specialist MK, LK, and LLK inks. Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped. Shilesh --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > You need to linearize the QTR curve and it will beat ABW by a long shot and keep out as much of the problem colors as possible with the least metamerism. For Epson to lock out QTR on their most recent printers is just insane on their part. It was the best thing that ever happened to Epson monochrome. > > The HPZ inks are designed for a slight selenium tone with matte rag papers and neutral with most gloss papers. To create an exact netural to match the Piezography Neutral K7, I add a hue/sat adjustment layer and tone to Hue-40 / Saturation 3 (for Photorag)Saturation 2 is perfect for many gloss fiber papers. Their gray and color inks are designed to fade at the same rate so very long term shift is less of an issue compared to K3 and Lucia inks. > > john > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@> wrote: > > > > Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. > > > > C. D. Tobie > > Global Product Technology Mngr. > > Imaging Color Management > > Datacolor.com > > CDTobie@ > > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? > > > > > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly. > > > > > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Shilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See âGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelinesâ in the Files section: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >
2011-02-23 by Mike King
Shilesh, Epson black inks are slightly green and so if u want to use them by themselves you will have to aim for a hint of green on them color wheel. U won't like the result :) Mike On 23 Feb 2011, at 15:22, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote: > John, CD, > > FWIW, I am very experienced and adept with QTR. I create my own curves, linearize, split-tone, and all that. That is not the question. Is there any setting in ABW that uses only K, LK, and LLK? I do want that warm, sepia look I get with Image Specialist MK, LK, and LLK inks. > > Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped. > > Shilesh > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > > > > You need to linearize the QTR curve and it will beat ABW by a long shot and keep out as much of the problem colors as possible with the least metamerism. For Epson to lock out QTR on their most recent printers is just insane on their part. It was the best thing that ever happened to Epson monochrome. > > > > The HPZ inks are designed for a slight selenium tone with matte rag papers and neutral with most gloss papers. To create an exact netural to match the Piezography Neutral K7, I add a hue/sat adjustment layer and tone to Hue-40 / Saturation 3 (for Photorag)Saturation 2 is perfect for many gloss fiber papers. Their gray and color inks are designed to fade at the same rate so very long term shift is less of an issue compared to K3 and Lucia inks. > > > > john > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@> wrote: > > > > > > Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. > > > > > > C. D. Tobie > > > Global Product Technology Mngr. > > > Imaging Color Management > > > Datacolor.com > > > CDTobie@ > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? > > > > > > > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly. > > > > > > > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Shilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > > > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. 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2011-02-23 by shileshjani
Mike, Thank you for your insight. Please note I am using Image Specialist (reputedly the same as MIS) K, LK, and LLK inks. These are fairly -brown-warm inks, not green-warm like OEM. I was able get in the right direction, just as you suggested by going on the "green" direction of the color wheel, but am still far from the color I get with QTR. I thought there may be unique ABW color wheel setting that uses only these inks - perhaps not. How come we don't see you in the print exchanges anymore? Shilesh --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike King <drmrking@...> wrote:
> > Shilesh, > > Epson black inks are slightly green and so if u want to use them by themselves you will have to aim for a hint of green on them color wheel. U won't like the result :) Mike > > On 23 Feb 2011, at 15:22, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote: > > > John, CD, > > > > FWIW, I am very experienced and adept with QTR. I create my own curves, linearize, split-tone, and all that. That is not the question. Is there any setting in ABW that uses only K, LK, and LLK? I do want that warm, sepia look I get with Image Specialist MK, LK, and LLK inks. > > > > Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped. > > > > Shilesh > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@> wrote: > > > > > > You need to linearize the QTR curve and it will beat ABW by a long shot and keep out as much of the problem colors as possible with the least metamerism. For Epson to lock out QTR on their most recent printers is just insane on their part. It was the best thing that ever happened to Epson monochrome. > > > > > > The HPZ inks are designed for a slight selenium tone with matte rag papers and neutral with most gloss papers. To create an exact netural to match the Piezography Neutral K7, I add a hue/sat adjustment layer and tone to Hue-40 / Saturation 3 (for Photorag)Saturation 2 is perfect for many gloss fiber papers. Their gray and color inks are designed to fade at the same rate so very long term shift is less of an issue compared to K3 and Lucia inks. > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. > > > > > > > > C. D. Tobie > > > > Global Product Technology Mngr. > > > > Imaging Color Management > > > > Datacolor.com > > > > CDTobie@ > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? > > > > > > > > > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly. > > > > > > > > > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Shilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. 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2011-02-23 by Michael King
Hi Shilesh, How come we don't see you in the print exchanges anymore? > Just busy with other stuff at the moment. Maybe in May / June I'll have more time to join in the exchanges. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-02-24 by dlruckus
I would think that putting up with blocked and misfiring nozzles and knocking QTR because of them would be a far more serious problem ;) Regards, Duane --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike Finley <mike.finley@...> wrote:
> > The problem with QTR, at least in its Windows incarnation and the > smaller printers, is that it is much less tolerant of blocked and > misfiring nozzles than the Epson driver is, and that is possibly the > cause of the banding. If you watch the print being laid down on the > paper on for example the R2400 you'll see the ink is being laid down in > a much narrower band as the paper passes through using QTR than it is > with the Epson driver.
2011-02-24 by dlruckus
Hi Shilesh, Have you looked at a QTR calibration print made using all of the inks to see if it's only the grays doing this or perhaps just some of the inks and not all? I experienced something like this a couple of weeks ago on a 4000 I was putting back into use. It was cured by lowering the viscosity of the offending black just slightly. The ink had been sitting on a shelf for about 8 months through the summer in a partial bottle and I think had thickened a bit. Regards, Duane --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote:
> > Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped. > > Shilesh > >
2011-02-24 by deanwork2003
Shilesh, I guess I would be stumped also. I used QTR for years with Epson K2 back in the day with amazingly good results and the only time I ever experienced any banding or micro banding was when my printer was out of alignment, and that was extremely rare. I used it on large format and small desktop units like the 2200 and 2400. Apart from the usual things like shaking the ink carts, doing alignment, and making sure all the nozzles are firing correctly I can't think of anything else unless the print head is starting to go bad. Generally with QTR it lays down quite a lot of overlapping ink, compared to other rips like Studio Print that are a lot more sensitive to micro banding if linearization is not done well. Only thing I can think of is to ask over at the quad tone rip yahoo group if you haven't already. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote:
> > John, CD, > > FWIW, I am very experienced and adept with QTR. I create my own curves, linearize, split-tone, and all that. That is not the question. Is there any setting in ABW that uses only K, LK, and LLK? I do want that warm, sepia look I get with Image Specialist MK, LK, and LLK inks. > > Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped. > > Shilesh > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@> wrote: > > > > You need to linearize the QTR curve and it will beat ABW by a long shot and keep out as much of the problem colors as possible with the least metamerism. For Epson to lock out QTR on their most recent printers is just insane on their part. It was the best thing that ever happened to Epson monochrome. > > > > The HPZ inks are designed for a slight selenium tone with matte rag papers and neutral with most gloss papers. To create an exact netural to match the Piezography Neutral K7, I add a hue/sat adjustment layer and tone to Hue-40 / Saturation 3 (for Photorag)Saturation 2 is perfect for many gloss fiber papers. Their gray and color inks are designed to fade at the same rate so very long term shift is less of an issue compared to K3 and Lucia inks. > > > > john > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@> wrote: > > > > > > Black and grays only will not produce anything resembling a neutral print; quite sepia, actually. HP goes out of their way to pre-neutralize their grays, and prequalify their media to be neutral with them, but Epson does not work that way. They use varying amounts of color to account for various media, and various tint intents. > > > > > > C. D. Tobie > > > Global Product Technology Mngr. > > > Imaging Color Management > > > Datacolor.com > > > CDTobie@ > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:58 AM, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone know the setting to use in the Epson ABW color wheel so that only K, LK, and LLK inks are used? > > > > > > > > I am only looking for ball-park; I can imagine other colors will also be used, but preferably only slightly. > > > > > > > > I know I can use QTR - but therein is the problem. My 4800 with custom inks is giving me banding with QTR, yet is silky smooth with ABW. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Shilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > > > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > > > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See âGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelinesâ in the Files section: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2011-02-24 by john
One thing you could try now that I think about it is to limit the ink globally in QTR. If you click on the advanced setting you can do that. Try reducing it a lot on the first try and do a test print to see if that does anything. If it does you can fine tune that slider and save setting. However, usually that effects dmax and potential shadow detail, not banding issues but it is worth a try. Also trying a different black ink cart, especially if it is old ink. j --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus" <dlruckus@...> wrote:
> > Hi Shilesh, > Have you looked at a QTR calibration print made using all of the inks to see if it's only the grays doing this or perhaps just some of the inks and not all? > I experienced something like this a couple of weeks ago on a 4000 I was putting back into use. It was cured by lowering the viscosity of the offending black just slightly. The ink had been sitting on a shelf for about 8 months through the summer in a partial bottle and I think had thickened a bit. > > Regards, > Duane > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@> wrote: > > > > > Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped. > > > > Shilesh > > > > >
2011-02-24 by shileshjani
Yes I did. That is how I confirmed it occuring in all channels. I have putzed around with puddle cleaning, and adjusting the platen gap and paper advance. In the process, I can reduce this effect, and have almost eliminated it. Thank you for you thoughts. Shilesh --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus" <dlruckus@...> wrote:
> > Hi Shilesh, > Have you looked at a QTR calibration print made using all of the inks to see if it's only the grays doing this or perhaps just some of the inks and not all? > I experienced something like this a couple of weeks ago on a 4000 I was putting back into use. It was cured by lowering the viscosity of the offending black just slightly. The ink had been sitting on a shelf for about 8 months through the summer in a partial bottle and I think had thickened a bit. > > Regards, > Duane > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@> wrote: > > > > > Curiously, this QTR banding at 2880 dpi print shows up only on matte papers (all gray levels) and not on Epson Exhibition Fiber or Ilford GFS. I am stumped. > > > > Shilesh > > > > >