Digital BW, The Print

"mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:
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> ... This actually, to me anyway, is a good thread as it is about one of the harder areas we have to deal with as printers...


I agree also.  There is a whole lot more to good B&W printing than inks. 

With respect to the paper & ink, I tend not to favor yellow snow.  The more neutral carbon approaches work fine on the wall.  (And as I write this gallery brochures are being printed with the dyes.)

I tend to increase local contrast of the snow more up to what you'd see if you walked up to it.  
  

I'm most fascinated with the patterns that snow can have.  That was what I emphasized in working up this shot:
http://www.paulroark.com/New-Army-Snow.jpg

There are a lot of variables here, many subjective.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 






> I don't know how many of you do architectural photography or painting...duh..  Interior walls are just filled, typically, with subtle personality ...reflections ...shadows... etc.. 
> All our scanners here are set up not to make white 255.. as that is no information.. It's all pulled back a bit so I have some room. The thing that screws me up the most is changing materials to print on.. 
> Which leads me too.. I think most of us get comfortable with one or two papers that seem to work the best all around for us.. This is a B&W group so that is quite a bit more wide open then for a color print I think.. So what are you guys or gals favorite fine art materials for B&W  and Color..
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> jimbo
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: E.Neilsen 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:24 PM
>   Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Printing Pictures of Snow
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>   There are some absolute colors and then there are emotional colors, and
>   snow, is the later. But Jimbo points about painting, and white with detail,
>   well that's what were talking about as printers; knowing how to set a white
>   with texture and context onto paper. My point early on David was that snow
>   isn't blue, or warm, or. it can be influenced by the things around it. Is
>   the snow cooler than a bear but warmer than the open shade on a cloudy
>   bright day with .. to fill the .. that bounces off the . that reflects on
>   the.. that . well, looked right. 
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>   Eric Neilsen
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>   From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C D Tobie
>   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:13 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Printing Pictures of Snow
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>   On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:39 AM, mrjimbo wrote:
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>   > Yup you've got it.. for me sometimes it's hard to explain some things...
>   after seeing your post one more thing.. .. well one of your fancy tools
>   :-).. could measure the paper ...then using Photoshop create the separation
>   necessary for the whites to work with the paper. 
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>   Yes, in developing the software for our "fancy tools" I found it necessary
>   to offer two ramps to white, one that controlled the color as far as it can,
>   then loses to the tone of the paper white at the last minute (the solutions
>   most people expect, and fine for most things, but which gets ugly when the
>   paper tone and the image content aren't harmonious) and one which starts the
>   adjustment of the white balance further back in the density ramp, so to
>   avoid any jarring last minute changes.
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>   > Polar bears... yes ...I was privileged to shoot them some years back..
>   sort of like shooting ducks in a barrel from the snow coach but fun non the
>   less. I've always loved bears..
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>   I hesitated to even mention polar bears, it being a loaded subject these
>   days, but slightly buff colored bears against blue-tinted snow is the
>   clearest example of different tints in near whites that I can come up with
>   which is in everyone's memory bank. I'm always amused to see images where
>   someone wasn't happy with the dingy tint in the bear's fur, and "color
>   corrects" them to a nice bluish white to match the snow. They end up looking
>   like little old ladies who have used bluing in their hair. Anyone here old
>   enough to remember hair bluing? I bet you could soak natural watercolor
>   paper in it, and end up with "whitened" paper...
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>   C. David Tobie
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