On 04/09/2012 David Kachel wrote: > Plastic papers are wonderful, > Eastern Bloc > films and papers are just as good as Kodak, Agfa and Ilford, magazine > articles singing the praises of B&W papers from Outer Slobovia that > were so > incredibly bad Well, here I agree with you. Most papers produced at most times were mediocre at best. There was a brief period in the 1970's when Agfa made a few downright beautiful, sensual-to-print on papers (Brovira, Portriga, Record Rapid). My personal favourite being Record Rapid. There were a few others too, notably Oriental Seagull and Kodak Royal Bromesko. But a combination of economics and environmental concerns wiped them out. Agfa ruined RR by taking out all the noxious cadmium c.1979. Oriental went out of production and the new owner formulated a new paper with the same label but was nothing special. Royal Bromesko was discontinued. The Bunker Hunt crisis made this all worse. Silver content was pared to the bone to try and hold down prices, which almost trebled in UK. Agfa UK drove me mad by stopping import of any New Unimproved Mk2 RR except G2,3,4, before deciding we didn't need G4 either, then finally deciding we'd have Classic and Classic Multicontrast instead - papers utterly unrelated to the sensual ancestor. Agfa Multicontrast and Ilford Multigrade, both RC, were capable of OK results, for many purposes. Practical and fast but no pleasure. I used hundreds of boxes and never once enjoyed it, it was just a means from A to B. Then we had the designer label print materials, Galerie and so on. I found those underwhelming too, compared to the earlier silver-and-toxin rich antecedents. Selenium obligatory if you wanted a proper black. And then we had Forte etc purporting to have the traditional values that the new papers had lost. And, unmentioned, the manufacturing defects (pinholes, blisters, instability etc), agonisingly low sensitivities and wayward inconsistency between sheets, never mind batches. It wasn't that you couldn't use these later materials to make nice prints, but every step of the way the materials fought you. Nothing ever came close to original Record Rapid which leapt voluptuously from the packet "so you want to make a gorgeous print, let's have fun together". It was just impossible not to love the way that paper worked. The blacks! The tones! The surface! The later materials were like making love with a foul-tempered hooker whilst wearing Marigolds. Not that I have any experience behind the metaphor, but... I think the paper manufacturers fed the flight from the darkroom. Perhaps it was inevitable as the pollution of chemical photography became intolerable. But it made the switch to digital much easier, since the best of silver gelatine had long gone. What sort of surprises me is how any old crap on bromide now commands a mystical "hand made" reverence, as if none of this decline ever happened. But all that's just a personal viewpoint. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: What Asa to shoot tmax400 with standard development
2012-09-04 by Tony Sleep
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