On 09/05/2012 06:57 PM, Paul wrote: > > > Clayton Jones wrote: > > > > ... > > While doing some cleaning I found a stack of old work prints from > approximately 6 years ago. Some of them were printed on Museo Silver Rag ... > > There are 5 SR prints, small prints with about 1/2" to 3/4" borders. > They were in the middle of about a 5 inch stack of prints on a variety > of matte papers. All five have yellowed borders. The yellowing extends > inward from all four edges from 1/8 to 1/4 inch and feathers into white > (no hard edges), so whatever caused the yellowing appears to have worked > its way in from the edges while in the stack. The yellowing appears on > both the front and back. I'm not a smoker and this room is air > conditioned most of the time (I'm in South Florida, so even with A/C > there is some humidity). None of the matte prints in the stack had any > yellowing. > > ... > > Clayton was good enough to send me a couple of samples of the yellowed > Museo Silver Rag. I don't have the chemistry background or tools to know > what caused it, but here are my observations: > > The spectro measures the outside 1/4 inch of the front paper margin as > having a Lab B of from about 4.5 to 5.1. The inside of the 3/4" paper > margin, closest to the image and furthest away from the edge of the > paper, has a Lab B of 2.1 to 2.4. The back side of the paper shows a > similar pattern, although the Lab B values range from 3.3 at the edge > to 1.2 in the interior. So the effect is on both surfaces, but worst > on the front. > > The yellowing looks a lot like what I saw on the backs of some stored > silver prints (fiber paper), that, I believe had been attacked by > airborne acids, possibly put out by other paper in the metal cabinet. > > I used my pH test pen on the samples and found that the surfaces of > the Museo were probably somewhat acidic -- definitely not buffered. > The interior paper of the Museo did appear to still have a good amount > of buffering in it. The surfaces of the matte papers were well > buffered. I then tested the surfaces of newer Museo I had. These > newer ones did appear to be buffered or otherwise tested as having a > surface with a relatively high pH. > > All of this does not prove that we're dealing with acid attack, but it > is consistent with that hypothesis. > > I'm not sure what would be on the surfaces of the paper that would > yellow. We usually think of the yellowing being of the paper > cellulose fibers being attacked by acids. With these glossy "papers," > the paper is actually in the interior and separated from the surfaces, > usually by polyethylene. In the case of the Museo, the interior paper > appeared to be well buffered and quite different than the surfaces. > > It appears polyethylene can also yellow. It looks like inappropriate > materials combined with oxides of nitrogen in the air are > possibilities. See > http://www.tencate.com/8776/TenCate/TenCate-Grass/Region-EMEA/English/en-Grass/Products-amp-Services/Product-advisory/Gas-fading > > I suspect these more "advanced" "baryta" glossy papers are still a > form of RC paper. Something is certainly separating the well-buffered > interior paper from the front and back surfaces, and I'd guess it is > the usual polyethylene or a close relative of it. > > Again, I can't say what caused the yellowing, but it is clearly there, > and its pattern suggests an airborne chemical played a part in the process. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Paul, True RC papers with PE barriers show their structure when you immerse a 5mm wide strip in hot water for half a minute and then pull at both sides of strip. Typical foil deformation happens then. After that you can dissect that paper by rubbing off the coating and paper fibers, usually a milky white PE front barrier is left and a transparent PE back barrier. Applied in the paper base manufacturing like lamination foils are applied. A cheaper grade has a kind of resin coating as barrier(s), more elastic than the polyethylene and it breaks up wire wise like a contact glue would when separated. Probably spray coated in manufacturing or rolled on. I do not see any of that in my sample of Museo Silver Rag. It is paper fiber throughout with coating on top and most likely an anti-curl coating at the back. Your acidity theory is a good one but I would suggest; a good buffered cotton paper base has been used and that particular batch had coatings applied on both sides that were not buffered. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla Grafische Techniek Quad, pi\ufffdzografie, gicl\ufffde www.pigment-print.com
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Silver Rag Yellowing
2012-09-06 by Ernst Dinkla
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