Hi J &T.... Let me jump in here. I remember when Nikon first put out its motor drive F camera. The sound of that thing became the "must have" in any group of "pro's" shooting at an event. Of course, here in NYC there were and are ALWAYS events calling for a bevy of photographers. I went out and bought one, just to be able to sound like a "pro". I'm getting into my 50th year in photography, was trained to take at least two meter readings on my spot meter, exposing for the shadows, developing for the highlights, etc., etc. The click clack of the motor drive just didn't fit my way of taking photographs and 36 exposures went too fast to waste film. Film was precious in those lean days. The experts were writing articles that taught that if you got one good image from a whole contact sheet, you were doing very well.... something I thought was a ridiculous waste of film. The concept stuck. I chuckled at Jimbo's mention of video... they've been doing "video" for years now.... it's the new way to do photography! Image quality has been 86'd. Just look at the crap hanging on the walls today as great photography. The people who are now in control of 'quality' have deliberately dumbed-down the QUALITY and cranked up the quantity for today's fast moving, split-second image presentation. Photographers have become mere robots controlled by art buyers. Black & White photography is too abstract for today's viewers, who have been fed a sready diet of well saturated color images. Even B/W prints I see hanging are becoming more garish in tonal relationships, reminiscent of #4 Agfa prints, and 25-A filters. Hey... I'm a dina-sour - grumpy old geezer, still shooting ISO 100, both film and digital and exposing for shadow detail, loving the making of a really nice print. Piezo... Z3100 .... ImagePrint machines. Still learning... slowly. Richard Massie My not-for-sale website is at: www.rmassiphotography.com -----Original Message----- From: jimbo <mrjimbo@wispwest.net> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck Tyler, Jimmie here.. I have literally tons of respect and admiration for you.. I mean that .. I would like to suggest that their is some validity to his words.. Let me share .. I am and have a full time photographer for over 40 years.. It is exponentially easier for me to get a quality image today then it was 40 years ago , 30 years ago, or 20 years ago.. I am living proof of that ..It doesn't mean that I can sleep in ..I still have to get my butt out of bed and be in the space of that incredible image ...you get what I'm saying ...The capture process is incredibly improved.. With my D4's I can damn near shoot in the dark.. My dynamic range is the best the photographic industry has ever ever had.. Ok so now lets see where it's going.. I think if we want to see the future we have to watch what's going on with video not camera's as we know them.... Canon released a 4k (video) DSLR late last year this is an industry first... Red, Sony & Panasonic all have 4k & 5k video cameras.. 8k video is on the design & build board now and 16k video is a viable spec.. The point is that within but a couple of years an image that we see coming out of a DSLR with be coming off a single video frame.. along with whatever light gathering improvements will come to pass during this time.. So.. the glut of imagery will get yet more confusing.. I'm working with a guy right now playing with getting 5k video frames on paper.. The point I'm trying to get to is that I'm sure most can hopefully embrace...... It will be easier to get many of the magic images.. and the glut or volume of them will increase.. That is just the direction it's going.. Even an unskilled shooter can get really lucky.. jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: tboleyyh To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, John Anderson wrote: ... John, I appreciate your comment that Jimbo or I may be able to produce a superior print.. true or not .. but... > 2. More generally, photography has changed. To produce an acceptable > quality image requires far less skill and experience than driving yourself > across town safely. The ability to produce a good image is somewhat rarer > but still more common than good driving skill. Neither skill is > really sale-able though there will always be hacks. To make a living at > driving you either have to be exceptional (F1 driver) or be very good and > drive something that uses technology beyond the norm. Same with > photography. I just have to disagree with almost all of this.. in fact looking at most of the work we are talking about on sites along the lines of this discussion, I'd say evidence clearly points to the contrary... But that may be the opinion of an elitist . Anyway, to try and relate this more to what this group used to be about... the advancement of techniques and high craft standards in the pursuit of making a stunning B&W prints as an object... it would be interesting to consider how these on line image "sharing" communities and the world of creating art objects will ever begin to converge somehow. Tyler No virus found in this message. 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Re: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck
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