Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blasterman789" <blasterman789@...> wrote:
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> This conversation bears the typical snippets I hear quite frequently in digital -vs- film debates.

can you read? I said specifically.. to Jim.-

> >...It's not the technology, it's the kind of shooting you are suggesting, the state of mind, I think.

> I'm sorry, but I do not "agree to disagree", or frankly agree with any of it. If you can't produce decent monochrome work with a modern dSLR then the problem is clearly between the camera strap and viewfinder. 

I was talking about MY shooting approach, and making no generalization about work at large..

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> The typical comment goes something like this; "digital shooters don't have to think like we did in the film dayz because they can shoot many more frames without thinking". That's pretty much the jest of what I'm reading here, just said nicer.

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> The overwhelming volume of monochrome and color work I see today is light years in concept beyond what I was used to seeing (and shooting) 20-30 years ago.

Well where is this work, these masterpieces?? My B&W background is not only wet lab, but now digital lab, and instruction from masters guest teaching at the friends of photography and elsewhere, people we've all heard of. This over a 30 year period. I see little that even approaches the quality of image and craft mastered then. It's around, but certainly not common, I see no general widespread uptick in quality of image or craft simply due to new technology. But still, I insist none of this is about the technology, but the skill of the artists no matter what tools are used.

Look, that digital allows machine gun exposures, and video even more, is not really anything new given motor drives in the past. All I'm saying is that approach, as opposed to a more deliberate approach by a practiced eye and skilled shooter, doesn't by nature yield "better" photography by my standards.
Are we done? I'm embarrassing myself on this list once again... this is way way off topic and I'm simply coming back and explaining myself time and again, should never have begun again here.
Tyler