David, No carbon pigment is neutral, but Eboni-based carbons are the least warm. The HP Z3200 based inks are a neutral/cool blend of carbon and color pigments. I think they are the best neutral blend pigments we have available to us. (Hopefully I'll be able to get to MIS's new beta neutral in September that it hopes will narrow the gap between these HP inks and the third party neutral inks.) For more warmth, I use the MIS glossy carbons -- the K4 PK, LK, and LLK. (On matte papers, Jon's carbon sepia would be about the same.) In a 4000 I set up an inkset with multiple MIS glossy carbons as well as the light colors (Epson's) for total control of tone. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-5K-Plus-cmy.pdf The Y and LM would allow you to take the already warm carbon much warmer. (Note that I do not recommend the Epson 4000 for matte paper. The dmax was weak. This criticism of that printer does not apply to the newer Epson printers.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com ** > > > From: Paul Roark > > > This is what I currently have in my 7800: > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-EbHP-2013.pdf. It's only for matte > paper, although the HP inks are glossy compatible. > > Paul, > > I get lost in the very first sentenceŠ > > "This approach is aimed at making the best possible matte prints in the > neutral to warm range. It combines Eboni-6, the most neutral (least warm) > dilute 100% carbon inkset, with HP Z3100/3200 neutral/cool gray pigments to > give a variable-tone inkset that, based on multiple tests of the underlying > pigments, likely makes the most lightfast prints within that target range." > > To me, this seems to say that the Eboni-6 inks are neutral (not brown) and > the HP inks are neutral/cool (also not brown). I'm lost. > > In an Epson 3800, what inks would you use for the warmest prints possible > on > matte papers? (If I understand correctly, the HP inks would not be needed > at > all for this.) > > David Kachel > > ___________________ > > Artist-Photographer > Fine B&W Photographs > > www.davidkachel.com > david@... > > Gallery: > www.reddoorfinephotographs.com > director@... > > PO Box 1893 > Alpine, TX 79831 > (432) 386-5787 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Getting Started
2013-07-18 by Paul Roark
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