Digital BW, The Print

Walker, this whole change is difficult for everyone. You hit the nail on the head regarding using cracked software..but it's actually easier then that their is a technology that is used today to reproduce it and one license can turn into several hundred easily.. the issue is that when this is done Adobe is still providing updates and fixes for the bogus software along with excess use of reduced price upgrades. Additionally the sad part is that this new method allows them no legal recourse in most cases. Their only viable solution was to go to a subscription model with monthly license renewal. 

I'm honestly sad that well David and others are so upset about this but hopefully their will be a silver lining down the road.. It would be great if they could feasibly offer the software both ways but to solve the problem of piracy it would only make the hole deeper an bigger..  I will say that those of us that are running legally with licensed copies will at some point get something back in the form of less competition for our skills. As over time the pirates will fall by the wayside or just run older versions will lesser capability. Also solving the internal cost issues caused by these newer piracy techniques , which are big business by the way, in theory they should be able to at some point stabilize their costs and provide better pricing to us.. 

David... I got how upset you are about all this and I respect it.. I mean that..So it's not about that I don't want to support your position... it's more that, in conscience I can't as I am intimately familiar with this software abuse technology and in the long run if they can't resolve that their screwed.. I don't want them to leave us as a software source.. It's just to special..

Constructively Adobe now has a sense of how much illegal software is actually out there .. we must remember that they are paying to support and upgrade it.. Those costs are passed back to us.. 

The pain of all this will at some point pass. We must realize that what were seeing is a monthly subscription business plan... What we must really try to see also is a monthly licensing plan to eliminate illegal use of their software. 

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walker Blackwell 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Cc: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 9:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers


    

  I'm not one for flame wars and don't have anything against those who want the package deal. 


  I do think Adobe is a monopoly and they are acting like one now and that isn't good. 


  In the long run I would like to see a pay as you go thing where it would be a little bit more expensive per month to license the software and after one year you own it and can end your subscription but keep that version of the software.


  I read a long time ago that 70 percent of adobe software was used cracked. I think they are trying to tap those people who use the software but can't afford upfront costs.


  Another thing that is happening (programmatically) is that adobe is increasing their upgrade speed following the lead of Chrome and Firefox and even (to a certain extent) OS X. That is a good thing for us because it means less bugs and less upgrade fatigue and less headaches teaching the tools. But it's pretty hard for a business to maintain the old massive upgrade boxed model while doing fast mini upgrades.


  Best,
  Walker



  On Sep 7, 2013, at 11:30 AM, David Kachel <david@...> wrote:


      

    The problem is NOT, "is it a deal for someone?" There would have to be people who think CC is a wonderful deal.
    I'm all for them and I have no problem with Adobe marketing this way, as long as they don't force everyone to buy this way.
    But this attitude of "It's a good deal for me, so to hell with all you other people who don't want to rent their software", is galling.
    When the day arrives that you people think Adobe is screwing you in some way, and that day WILL arrive, don't expect any sympathy or support from those of us who got screwed this time and got no support from you. When they raise that subscription to $150 a month, and there is a 100% certainty that will, I will be the first to throw it in your faces.
    You should be telling Adobe you like CC but refuse to buy it, because you are supporting all the unhappy Adobe customers who don't like it, and that you will buy only when Adobe reinstates the packaged software paradigm alongside CC.


    From: Walker Blackwell <forums@...>


    And for those pros who are studio shooting and need access to updated raw handling each year without paying a boxed upgrade fee, it's also a deal.




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