From: "John Castronovo" <jc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers
> You're absolutely correct about all that, but I don't think for a second
> that the hackers and crackers can't find a way to circumvent the need for
> the generation of monthly access codes. I'm sure the pirates working on it
> now, and they're a creative bunch who need to prove that they can outsmart
> the engineers who make the products. Even dongles are easy to get around.
> Every lock has a key. I think Adobe's new approach is to appear to provide
> a
> consistently high level of service and benefits that make it not worth
> trying to cheat them, and that's our best insurance that they won't
> eventually try to screw their base by overcharging.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jimbo
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers
>
> I think maybe were all getting caught up in the muck of all this.. Maybe
> it's time to get above that.. One of if not the largest single primary
> reason for Adobe going to the subscription model was to eliminate or curb
> piracy. In the past 3 or 4 years a different technology has been used to
> pirate software..They had virtually no way to stop it.. What's more they
> had
> to provide support for all the pirated software.. It was killing Autodesk
> and a subscription model was the only way they could figure out how to
> curb
> it.. I suppose they could go to a dongle but apparently that was not the
> way
> they wanted to go. This business model in one that I think we'll be
> looking
> at for some time.. If it doesn't work for us then it's time to move on and
> develop a new workflow or stick with earlier versions of the software.. We
> simply don't have the right to tell them how to run their business.
>
> jimbo
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Castronovo" <jc@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers
>
>
>> Right, so what's really different is how we pay for it. New versions in
>> this
>> century were ALWAYS available for download, but we had to pay a lot for
>> them
>> and now we pay monthly whether we do an upgrade or not. As I see it, how
>> we
>> pay is the only difference, so I don't see the frequency and ease of
>> updates
>> as a feature they can market as a benefit.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Goshorn
>> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:43 AM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for
>> photographers
>>
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, John Castronovo wrote:
>>
>>> I can barely remember having to wait for an update to arrive in the
>>> mail.
>>> In the 21st century almost all of my software has been downloaded and it
>>> was ready just as soon as the company released it, so there\ufffds no
>>> difference between that and Adobe\ufffds cc updates except for how we pay for
>>> it.
>>
>> The big difference, as I understand it, is that traditionally, Adobe
>> would
>> release a new version and then all the updates would basically be bug and
>> compatibility fixes until the next version. The traditional perpetual
>> license fell under certain regulations which prevented the adding of
>> features between releases. Now, with the cloud, they will also be able to
>> add new features as they go along instead of waiting for a new version to
>> release them since it falls under a subscription model.
>>
>> Jim
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