You are right every lock has a key.. but this is a new type of lock so to speak.. In a sense the tumblers in the lock can be changed which would require a new key to be generated every month.. This is working well for very auto desk.. The guys just run out of gas building keys.. to much work.... So yup it can still get cracked but not permanently. The concept is pretty solid.. and it makes sense to curb piracy ..It won't stop it for the hacker that is serving himself but for the hacker that is selling his efforts it will.. We also have to realize that this is a solution that is used world wide.. Other countries have most likely way more of it going on..It's actually big business in some countries like Russia.. This method pretty much stops the current trend which is cloning and duplicating.. In theory some good could come out of this for the end users.. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.. jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Castronovo" <jc@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers > You're absolutely correct about all that, but I don't think for a second > that the hackers and crackers can't find a way to circumvent the need for > the generation of monthly access codes. I'm sure the pirates working on it > now, and they're a creative bunch who need to prove that they can outsmart > the engineers who make the products. Even dongles are easy to get around. > Every lock has a key. I think Adobe's new approach is to appear to provide > a > consistently high level of service and benefits that make it not worth > trying to cheat them, and that's our best insurance that they won't > eventually try to screw their base by overcharging. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jimbo > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:49 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers > > I think maybe were all getting caught up in the muck of all this.. Maybe > it's time to get above that.. One of if not the largest single primary > reason for Adobe going to the subscription model was to eliminate or curb > piracy. In the past 3 or 4 years a different technology has been used to > pirate software..They had virtually no way to stop it.. What's more they > had > to provide support for all the pirated software.. It was killing Autodesk > and a subscription model was the only way they could figure out how to > curb > it.. I suppose they could go to a dongle but apparently that was not the > way > they wanted to go. This business model in one that I think we'll be > looking > at for some time.. If it doesn't work for us then it's time to move on and > develop a new workflow or stick with earlier versions of the software.. We > simply don't have the right to tell them how to run their business. > > jimbo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Castronovo" <jc@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers > > >> Right, so what's really different is how we pay for it. New versions in >> this >> century were ALWAYS available for download, but we had to pay a lot for >> them >> and now we pay monthly whether we do an upgrade or not. As I see it, how >> we >> pay is the only difference, so I don't see the frequency and ease of >> updates >> as a feature they can market as a benefit. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Goshorn >> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:43 AM >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for >> photographers >> >> >> On Nov 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, John Castronovo wrote: >> >>> I can barely remember having to wait for an update to arrive in the >>> mail. >>> In the 21st century almost all of my software has been downloaded and it >>> was ready just as soon as the company released it, so there\ufffds no >>> difference between that and Adobe\ufffds cc updates except for how we pay for >>> it. >> >> The big difference, as I understand it, is that traditionally, Adobe >> would >> release a new version and then all the updates would basically be bug and >> compatibility fixes until the next version. The traditional perpetual >> license fell under certain regulations which prevented the adding of >> features between releases. Now, with the cloud, they will also be able to >> add new features as they go along instead of waiting for a new version to >> release them since it falls under a subscription model. >> >> Jim >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources >> as >> they are often being updated. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this >> same >> page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to >> keep >> them short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. 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Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers
2013-11-28 by jimbo