Digital BW, The Print

John,
Sincerely .. ok? In truth I think it is pretty easy to solve the concerns you have listed as far as they relate to Adobe goes so that you have your bases covered... and in truth this is how I'm positioned here.. LR 5.2 is not dependant upon Adobe at all ...You own it.. You paid your price and it's yours..  if you bought a license....actually LR is one of the few software items they offer that you can install it on as many computers as you have. So with a single license you can load up 6 rigs if you want to.. As far as Photoshop.. If you have a license for CS6 your good to go.. and frankly I would really highly recommend that..  The only issues you'll have beyond that is making sure you keep hardware going to run it on.. and I think most here would agree that we've been doing that route for years.. I still have a must have Silver Door Mac and a second for back up.. for the scanners.. etc.. 

I probably sound like an idiot to many here on the group as if I have my bloody head in the clouds.. (Yes that was a pun but intended to be funny) ..The truth is I don't.. I have my ass covered like a blanket.. If Adobe blew up today I can still keep going.. The point is their is a lot of stuff that goes on in my life that I have to be responsible for not Adobe.. As  far as health and money issues that occur as we move thru life.. these are certainly not an Adobe problem.. these are our items.. they have more then enough to worry about right now I'm sure.. I mean shit the assholes Verizon charge me almost a hundred bucks a month for damn cell phone service that I don't put 300 minutes on and texting jeeze!!!! I don't need that. So we all have different priorities..  I honestly really get a kick out of Ernst.. no bones about he thinks their smucks and he's just not going their and he's got a plan to do that.. He's the man in my book..I respect and admire him.. but were all different aren't we?.. and we do things different ways and have different workflows.. 

As far as your "saving everything as a tiff" goes.. Their is nothing wrong with that logic.. when a job is "done" and you want to output it isn't that what your doing now? Unless your printing fine art out of LR which most don't I would think. 

All we can do it look at what we need to keep going and do the best we can to keep that in place.. Non of us have a Crystal ball .. Maybe the calderas under Yellowstone Park blows up and all this is mute conversation.. All any of us can do is do the best we can and keep rowing the boat.. It's like going to Vegas and telling a dealer you don't like how he's dealing the cards.. Their really aren't to many options.. move to a different table or leave the building.. Presently I honestly view what has transpired as an opportunity.. I did not need to sign up to CC but when they put the Photographers package out their for 9.99 well I had to laugh.. for 120 bucks I get to put the tires to the road .. and drive the car .. 10 months from now I won't have to ask anyone what to do...I'll know .. even if that means pulling the plug. So simply put I'm in school..

jimbo


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Castronovo 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers


    

  The difference is that in prior versions I never had to consider backward compatibility. My old versions didn’t stop working if I stopped buying them every month and I could always reinstall them. I don’t know what the future monthly cost will be and there may come a time when I can’t continue to pay the monthly fee, maybe when I’m old or sick for example. Not having access to a life’s work is a bitter pill to swallow at a time when I may have bigger financial concerns. And who really knows if Adobe will be around forever when corporate raiders are capable of taking it over and selling off the pieces for a fast buck. Anything is possible. The best advice is to save work as generic files like Tiffs which don’t depend on Adobe’s involvement to open them. Keep the original raw files and flattened tiffs is all I’m saying I guess, and don’t depend on LRcc being there for you with all the work you’ve done to your files in it. 

  From: jimbo 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:28 AM
  The backwards compatibility issue will be no different then that we are being faced with today with all our pre cloud software.. PS 7 doesn't have a clue what to do with a raw file nor can it work with a layered document that contains smart objects as an example.. But we can rasterize those layers and save the job as a tiff file and open that job up in PS7.. The very same rules will apply. Also today we have png file types which have been developed in part for this very reason. To standardize all the ongoing file type changes.


  
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