Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for your suggestions. VISA  provides me with rapid E-mail notification for all charges made to my credit card. It was the term "automatic renewal" in the Adobe Terms and Conditions that concerns me. I will ask VISA if they will dispute such charges I had previously accepted automatic renewal as part of the terms and conditions as part of signing-up to the CC Program.

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 From: John Castronovo <jc@technicalphoto.com>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers
 


  
You’re probably correct that a trustworthy company like Adobe will give 
proper notice before raising the price, but rest assured that they eventually 
will. As far as the law is concerned, however, they really don’t have to give 
much advance notice and they probably have it in their policy which we all sign 
and agree to that they can change the price at will after the one year is up. 
While that wouldn’t please their customers, they could do it all the same with 
let’s say 30 day’s notice or maybe even less. Some credit card banks have also 
changed their rules this year and now they can shy away from getting in the 
middle of disputed charges, so you’re correct advising people to check with 
their card company to see how they’re protected as consumers. My point is that 
none of this is automatically in favor of the consumer any more. 
 
From: jimbo 
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:42 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for 
photographers
 
 
Philip..
First honest ..just relax.. it's not that way.. 
that is not how it works in the USA today.. I cannot speak for other countries 
but I feel just fine speaking for this one.. and it's credit card providers.. 
The way they are billing is on a monthly basis to you CC .. What I suggest you 
do is check out the rules, laws etc to this type of transaction.. and maybe who 
your credit card is with.. So constructively if they bumped the per month rate 
and failed to inform me of that change they don't get a dime in my arena.. and 
my credit card outfit (Chase Sapphire) will support that .. 
 
Constructively.. and please hear this... I'm a 
service provider to artists in the arts.. if I change my rate structure and fail 
to communicate it I'm screwed.. Same way on this scenario.. so my suggestion is 
to tell the goblins to go to bed and do what you can to enjoy the ride.. I am 
not suggesting that don't do due diligence  but I am suggesting that a lot 
of noise gets in the way of the ride. So maybe let it play out if you choose to 
step up..... or just forget the whole adventure if you choose not to.. and you 
can then figure out your next steps with out Adobe.. It's really that 
simple..
 
jimbo
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Philip  Lindsay 
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 3:15  PM
>Subject: Re: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop  Create Cloud program for photographers
>   
>Automatic renewal without knowing the rate is scary to me!! That  means there is no advance warning if there is a price increase.
> 
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> From: "michael3442@..." <michael3442@...>
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, November 23,  2013 1:48 PM
>Subject: RE: Re:  [Digital BW] Photoshop Create Cloud program for photographers
>
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>  
>Here's the relevant statement from their Terms & Conditions: " Renewal After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your  contract based on the current price of the offering."
> 
>See:  http://www.adobe.com/store/en_us/popup/offer/ccm_photoshop_app_offer.html
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>---In 
  digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <mrjimbo@...> 
  wrote:
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>I'm sure that you are correct there Jim.. Nothing  stays where it's at price wise.. So my guess is they'll feel the waters as  they go. Their smart enough to know that if they raise the anti immediately  after a one year subscription they will have a mass exodus.. I'm just not  going to go nuts worrying about this. When the time comes I will choose to do  what's right for me.. but no sense worrying about it now.
> 
>jimbo
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Jim Goshorn 
>>>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>>>Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013  10:23 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photoshop  Create Cloud program for photographers
>>>   
>>> 
>>>On Nov 23, 2013, at 12:14 PM, jimbo wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>>Adobe  has stated that the is not a one year deal they have stated indefinite  ... which maybe 13  months...:-)As Adobe stated,  the difference with the Photo offer is that unlike the Cloud offer for  $19.95/month, which goes up to $50/month after the first year, they are  not offering it with an automatic increase after the first year. Their  intention is to keep it at $9.99/month as long as they can but they have  not indicated it is a forever deal. It's a given that, like other services  you get bills for, it will go up over time. 
>>> 
>>>Jim 
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